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That's what you're supposed to do, though. They're fun space cowboy movies. Anybody who gets upset about the prequels being cheesy or having plot holes is just remembering the originals through rose-colored lenses.
Revolutionary for the time, sure, but the fact that some of it didn't work in spite of the level of ambition is (for me, at least) part of the charm.
Hold on hold on. You trying to argue that the prequels are the same quality as the originals, that’s just batshit crazy. The revisionism these last years about the prequels because all the kids who were born right around then and grew up watching them is wild. They are not good movies. Sure there’s stuff to like and anyone can find enjoyment in nostalgia, but to say the originals are just as bad and it’s only rose colored glasses is just wrong.
Not just as bad, but bad in a lot of the same ways.
IDK, I kind of agree with them. As a 90s kid, the originals didn't really impress 12-year-old me. The acting was amateurish and cheesy, the "special effects" were cheesy, the story was extremely cliche by that point, the writing was 18-month aged Parmesan cheesy. To 12-year-old-me, the prequels had slightly better acting, better special effects, a much more compelling and interesting story, and the writing was still pretty cheesy. Maybe the dark, brooding main character really did it for my 12-year-old emo self, I dunno. But yeah, I don't think it's that crazy to prefer the prequels to the original trilogy. Like, looking back, neither trilogies really hold up, but the originals are very much propped up pretty much just because they were "revolutionary" nearly fifty years ago.
As another 90s kid that watched the prequels in theatres as they came out: I enjoyed the originals, even though I was only about half your age at the time. Probably worth noting that my mum made sure that I watched the original trilogy before Phantom Menace. And I'm sorry but the acting in the PT is supposed to be better than in the OT? What? No. Nothing against the actors because a lot of it was due to writing (especially for Anakin and Padmé's shared scenes, especially especially in II where Anakin is such a fucking creep) and direction, but no.
Yes, the acting is better in the prequels than the original trilogy. The main character actors in the prequels had no idea what they were doing, and you could tell. I think part of that was writing, and part was inexperience on the actors' parts. The prequels kept the bad writing, but at least had more experienced actors reading that terrible script for the most part, which makes a noticeable difference in acting quality. Keep in mind, the prequels have more characters in them than Anakin and Padme - I feel like you're tunneling on those two.
Revenge of the Sith was the only one I found worth watching.
I liked the last two but that was the best of the bunch.
I remember being so bored watching Ep 2 that I started to notice that every time a scene changes, Padmé has a different outfit on her. The most suspenseful part was when a scene ended with her tied to a pole in an arena. Surely she won't be able to change now, right? Well, turns out that right as the action switched back to her, she got slashed across her back by a monster and took the opportunity to tear up her long white dress into a different set of clothes.
I haven’t seen them in nearly 20 years. It’s embarrassing how Star Wars obsessed I was as a teenager. Like, holy shit embarrassing. I “photoshopped” images of myself with light sabers and everything.
Fuck it. I’ll show you guys. Man. I shouldn’t.
I thought the one was gone forever, but my sister wasn’t going to let that happen. She said when I posted it to MySpace she knew I’d be embarrassed one day and delete it so she printed it off. Haha. What a dick.
Damn. Here goes.
Beautiful
"I hope that you forget about your MySpace..."
Looool.
You're right that the OT are just fun movies that are much less impressive than when they came out.
The prequels are hot steaming piles of shit in comparison though. Maybe you need to remove your rose tinted glasses?
Drag likes movies that explore how an opportunistic politician can subvert democracy to create a fascist dictatorship with thunderous applause from the people who are about to be oppressed.
Pointing out that the prequels have the slightest hint of an interesting story does not change that they are garbage movies. All you've done is summarize the plot in vague terms that are only slightly more vague than the movies themselves. They do not "explore how an opportunistic politician can subvert democracy to create a fascist dictatorship", they barely even dip their toes in the attempt.
The prequels do not do an adequate job of establishing why the republic is vulnerable to being hijacked by a fascist dictator. They do not adequately establish how Palpatine is able to seize power. Germany was reeling from WW2 and was thus vulnerable to a charismatic dictator like Hitler. Hitler successfully used the hate and anger of german citiziens, caused by the very real suffering they were experiencing post WW1.
What the fuck happened in the prequels? There was a trade dispute, whatever that means, (it's never explained in the slightest), and so Palpatine gets appointed supreme leader or something? No suffering of average people is asserted, no populist rhetoric that gains momentum because of real suffering. Just, there's a war so we need a supreme leader and it has to be Palpatine.
The plot is completely nonsensical and I challenge you to outline Palpatines rise to power in detail. Every single character acts like a complete idiot and does nothing as Palpatine blatantly seizes power.
Not to mention the dog shit dialogue, stiff delivery, boring characters, racist caricatures, and blatant and obnoxious pandering to children.
The prequels are absolute awful movies in basically every way imaginable. Pretending they are some sort of intellectual piece of work just exposes you as an idiot or someone who hasn't watched the movies since they were 8 years old.
Sorry to be a dick but those movies are seriously fucking bad and I have issues.
The Republic's democracy is not functioning. The senators are corrupt and only care about laws that benefit the 1%. We see the streets of Coruscant outside of the Senate and Temple, and it's a shithole. There's rampant poverty and drug use.
The Trade Federation are a symbol of bourgeois corruption in the minds of the people. The Trade Federation impose unreasonable tariffs and fines on the people, contributing to poverty. That's what they're doing to Naboo. The people sympathise with Naboo because Naboo is being oppressed the same way they are. And when Naboo stands up to the bullies, they get blockaded and subject to an illegal invasion.
The Republic does not have an army, a command structure, or a political mechanism for dealing with war. This is silly, but bear with drag. The Senate has to vote to go to war with the Trade Federation. But the Senators can't agree on how, and they'd much rather be voting on corrupt issues like giving themselves raises or giving tax breaks to trillionaires.
Palpatine offers to take over all the messy business of controlling the political wartime strategy. The Senators support this idea because they don't give a shit and just want the problem to go away. The people support this idea because they're tired of the Senators never getting anything important done, and the see Naboo as a symbol of their own problems. Palpatine promises to bring the Trade Federation down a few notches and make life easier for everyone.
Palpatine gains complete control over the Republic's military policy, and then proceeds to keep the Republic in a forever war that increases poverty and destruction, while promising everyone that the answer to the problem is to just give him more power. Like George Bush.
The sequels are worse movies than the prequels.
If that's how you feel, ok. I'd love to hear your reasoning for why any of the prequels are better than FA.
If absolutely nothing else, none of the prequels are just a blatant, shittier retread of Episode IV. They all at least have their own identities, even if the identities of Episodes I and II are shit. When not taking Episode IV into account, Episode III is still absolutely better than FA even though it's just like a 7/10.
Even though Episode I and II are actually agonizing for me to sit through, I would still put them above FA because they're not just shallowly copying someone else's homework to make a nostalgia-addicted fanbase collectively shit their pants.