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They're trying to buy votes? How the hell do they think that's going to end?
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/597
Seriously, how the hell do they think it's going to end for them?
Nothing is happening to musk for doing it
Yeah, and it would be such a shame to set a legal precedent right? 😏
Since you seem to enjoy legalese, please visit the site's terms of service and read the rules for the promotion to learn why that's not what is happening here.
Oh, it's worse
Copy/pasted quotes from the site.
So, you know, fuck them right in the ass for that.
But, there's this:
Who qualifies to get paid?
Any eligible voter who didn’t vote last time qualifies. But only blue-leaning people in swing states will get a BIG payment. (italics for emphasis mine).
Idgaf what they put in their tos, this shit will be what gets focussed on.
Maybe they skate by on a weak loophole, maybe they don't. But it's fucking stupid, and it's dangerous when there's already going to be a "voting fraud" storm of bullshit if trump loses.
This entire publicity gimmick is beyond stupid, and if it backfires, it's going to be the rest of us that pay the price
You seem to have missed the context that this is a counter protest to multiple similar schemes on the republican side including one by Elon Musk thay they specifically mention. It's meant to make you think 'wait this is illegal, right?'.
I didn't miss anything.
It's a horrible idea, and it isn't going to do a damn thing to counter anything the Republicans or musk do.
They are very clearly angling to make it illegal in the medium/long term. You might be familiar with similar efforts by the Satanic Temple. You take what the other side are doing to the logical extreme or would make the average person think "that's very weird" and ask "is this OK? Gonna do something about it?".
If you re-read OP you will see they do not ask for votes anywhere.
I suspect that's what they'll claim, but I can about damn guarantee it would come down to a jury deciding, and we all know damm good and well the GOP isn't afraid of suing people
and that would be a win, because Musk is essentially doing the same shit.
edit for clarity: the win would be setting a precedence so musk or anyone else would be open to suit/prosecution too.
"He did it too" is on no law book as a credible defense anywhere. It's basically just self incrimination.
Remember, you're arguing for the Rule of Law, which states that no entity is above the law and it applies equally to all. In an ideal world, Musk wouldn't be getting away with this. But in an ideal world, CAH will also face scrutiny. As they should. Though I agree they are only asking for a "plan to vote" and it's vague enough to probably be fine.
i know it’s not a defense. the point is it would set a precedence, so Musk could be sued/prosecuted for it too.
So again, in your prefered version of this, Elon AND Cards Against Humanity are punished for breaking the law.
I'm advocating for a version of events where CAH doesn't face penalties because they don't commit a crime themselves. Want to advocate? Sure. Pay everyone who writes to their senator/congressperson about what Elon is doing and demand action. Something that's legal. Get the same point across while not dragging the bar ever lower.
James Cameron can only dive so low to retrieve it again.
no, it’s not my “preferred” version, nor am i advocating for anything. i am simply discussing the possible outcomes.
i guarantee you CAH had a team of lawyers approve this before going public. some of y’all are overthinking it.
Lol
In the same breadth you dismiss everyone else as not lawyers and not knowing and then claim you know better.
Are you 12? 😂
the point is THEY know better than any of us. Work on your reading comprehension. and fuck you and your shitty attitude.
I would disagree for two reasons.
First, one case does not guarantee the same outcome in another, so there's no certainty that any case against them would have any effect on musk at all.
Second, this is not the election to fuck around with anything even remotely vote manipulating. It's already going to be a shitshow if trump loses. Having an actual, public statement made like this means it's even easier to raise issues not only legally, but in the kind of minds that have already shown willing and able to attempt to invade the congressional building to attempt to kill people and gain power.
You might argue that that's already damn near a guarantee of being repeated, and you'd likely be right, but you don't throw gas on the fire for a publicity stunt.
There is absolutely no way this is a win for anyone.
nothing is certain of course, but precedence is a very real thing in law.
i disagree that there’s much to worry about here but it’s a fair point.
I might agree there wasn't much to worry about, except it's already happened.
It hasn't even been 4 years since January 6th 2021. But it's been years where the people that organized it, and had plants in place, to plan better.
That's the kind of thing that I'm talking about. While that's going to happen regardless of this publicity stunt, or not happen regardless of it, it could be made worse.
The last time shit went down, trump and his far right supporters had to rely on outright lies. Shit like this could be enough to sway people on the fence into a more radicalized mindset. While it could be argued that if shit goes down, and if they fail, then those edge cases are better off being swept up in it and imprisoned after, I think that's a very dangerous argument. I don't like ifs when it comes to something this risky.
The entire point is that when people get upset about this you can ask "why is it okay when Musk does it?"
I really hope you don't practice law
Wouldn't be shocked if the case law on that has/will have broadened that statute to encompass this behavior.
They allude to that on the site; something like, "We're just as surprised as you are that this is legal. Hurry and act because it probably won't be for long"
I certainly hoped you weren't a dick, but we don't always get what we want, do we?
If you encounter a dick online: that person was a dick.
If everyone you encounter online is a dick: you're the dick.
That one person was a dick, until you came along, bringing the total across the entire thread to two.
*three
It will go the same for them as it does for Musk, which makes it a win either way.
They know: