this post was submitted on 08 Oct 2024
108 points (93.5% liked)

politics

19170 readers
5778 users here now

Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!

Rules:

  1. Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.

Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.

Example:

  1. Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
  2. Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
  3. No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
  4. Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
  5. No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

That's all the rules!

Civic Links

Register To Vote

Citizenship Resource Center

Congressional Awards Program

Federal Government Agencies

Library of Congress Legislative Resources

The White House

U.S. House of Representatives

U.S. Senate

Partnered Communities:

News

World News

Business News

Political Discussion

Ask Politics

Military News

Global Politics

Moderate Politics

Progressive Politics

UK Politics

Canadian Politics

Australian Politics

New Zealand Politics

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 14 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

“If you just listen to these general statements, she actually sounds like a moderate Republican,” Luntz said.

“So the challenge for the Trump campaign is to just stop with these incessant character attacks, and challenge her on the specific issues and her claims,” he said.

The author is expecting trump to act logically...

I have no idea who would think that's even an option, trump will do the same thing every Republican has done since the rise of American neoloberalism in the 90s:

Move even further right to differentiate from "moderate" Dems.

The result is the Dem candidates start sounding like moderate republicans. Which the author also seems to think is a good thing.

That means the two candidates we have to choose from is the Dem who sounds like a moderate Republican and a completely insane fascist.

I dont know why anyone that isn't at least as far to the right as a moderate Republican would celebrate that is the most left leaning option. Even they have to realize this arrangement only helps the extreme rightwing party because it turns everyone left of center off from the Dem party. Instead of people happy to vote D, we get people who might not vote at all.

[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 5 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

get people who might not vote at all

if harris loses this election, then the country is finished. i hope these "protest vote" morons enjoy being arrested for not being sufficiently obsequious to trump and his roving loyalty verification squads. maybe their "principles" will save them LOL

I think this is a big part of why Harris can win. She'll pull in enough of the Liz Cheney minded folks, and all but the most extreme lefties will still reliably swing for Harris as well - for exactly the reason you state.

Folks who state that Harris shouldn't be trying to be moderate or centralist are making a big mistake here. Those on the left would never stop supporting the Dem party while Democracy itself is at state in this country. The ones we're most likely to lose are the actually the ones who are in the centre, and I fear that these are the ones we can least afford to lose (in particular since so many of them seem to live in the midwest (where smaller states mean higher voting power per person) and in the battleground states.

Move even further right to differentiate from “moderate” Dems.

Which is bad if it means the Dems swing rightward. Fortunately, I have reason to believe the opposite is happening.

Remember, Senator Elizabeth Warren was once considered a die hard conservative: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/04/16/elizabeth-warren-was-once-republican-she-shouldnt-hide-it/

But her current views seem quite leftie to me. This means me think the shift is going in the opposite direction.

The result is the Dem candidates start sounding like moderate republicans. Which the author also seems to think is a good thing.

Sounding is good in 2024 to retain the never trumpers who pushed Biden past the post in 2020. The danger is less sounding, and more actually becoming. Fortunately I don't think that's happening..

The author is expecting trump to act logically…

Agreed. Anyone who expects this is bound to be disappointed.