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[-] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 15 points 11 hours ago

The most fundamentally disappointing aspect of Harris is that she's had all the room in the world for ambiguity and platitudes to sweep the problem under the rug. She doesn't need to even promise anything, just indicate she's concerned about the motivations of the far right Israeli government and will look at all options to promote a just and peaceful Middle East. Expressing the vague potential to confront a far-right Israeli government isn't going to lose her any Democratic votes, at least not in places as important as Michigan where not doing it is a potentially campaign defining choice.

It's like the centrist establishment has some inherent desire to force that "you have to vote for us" choice on disgruntled Democratic factions even though they could just solve the disagreement. If they start acknowledging the left side of the party as being worth listening to, even if doing so is trivially easy, then it sets a bad precedent.

[-] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 11 points 8 hours ago

"At the same time what has happened in Gaza in the past 10 months is devastating. So many innocent lives lost. The scale of suffering is heartbreaking,", "Palestinian people can realize their right to dignity, security, freedom and self determination."

https://www.npr.org/2024/08/23/g-s1-19232/kamala-harris-israel-gaza-dnc

So, she is saying that what is happening in Gaza is wrong(this was before the recent attacks in Lebanon) and is for a two state solution, which is about as far as you can go.

Harris said she told Netanyahu “it is time to get this deal done.”

https://www.npr.org/2024/07/25/nx-s1-5048285/harris-gaza-war

Hence direct claims to actually push for a ceasefire.

There are a few problems. First of all she is not president right now, so she can not stop Biden from sending bombs to Israel. Biden is about as bad as they get for Democrats. At the same time, her openly going against it is a big problem, as she is part of the administration. Secondly Trump already made a deal with Netanyahu, that they are not going to agree to a ceasefire until the election, to help Trump win. That alone should be a big endoresment of Harris.

[-] pyrflie@lemm.ee 3 points 7 hours ago

So a candidate that openly supports Israel expects people to take her on faith that she will support those her party has supported killing.

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 8 points 6 hours ago

well, the worst people in israel are all gunning for trump. When there is no option for victory sometimes denying the most evil people on earth a win is the best we can do.

[-] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 1 points 6 hours ago

@Zaktor@sopuli.xyz and this is why ambiguity does not work in this case.

[-] Mirshe@lemmy.world 0 points 7 hours ago

It worked for LBJ, however.

[-] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Expressing the vague potential to confront a far-right Israeli government isn't going to lose her any Democratic votes

No, but it would cost her millions in donations and support from Zionist lobbies. It would also push those same lobbies to more heavily donate and support the GOP. Not to mention the millions that would be at stake from weapons manufacturing lobbies who would see any wavering on Israel support as potential to lose one of their biggest buyer. All that lost money would lead to a loss in votes.

The world is complicated and a tangled mess.

[-] match@pawb.social 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

AIPAC is "only" responsible for around $20 million in fundraising this cycle, I think it's more that she needs the support of her actual elected party members who are pro-israel

[-] pyrflie@lemm.ee 2 points 8 hours ago

Then they made their choice. They chose the lobbyists.

[-] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 5 hours ago

And money wins elections in the US.

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