this post was submitted on 25 Sep 2024
907 points (99.2% liked)
Political Memes
5431 readers
2615 users here now
Welcome to politcal memes!
These are our rules:
Be civil
Jokes are okay, but don’t intentionally harass or disturb any member of our community. Sexism, racism and bigotry are not allowed. Good faith argumentation only. No posts discouraging people to vote or shaming people for voting.
No misinformation
Don’t post any intentional misinformation. When asked by mods, provide sources for any claims you make.
Posts should be memes
Random pictures do not qualify as memes. Relevance to politics is required.
No bots, spam or self-promotion
Follow instance rules, ask for your bot to be allowed on this community.
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
That is exactly the same as an I.D. in Germany for example
Yep. The passport card is the American national identity card.
Americans have several forms of identity cards. There's the famous green card for non-citizen permanent residents, passports and passport cards, military IDs for military personnel, school and university ID cards, and ID cards issued by states.
Passport books in America work the same as passports in every other country. You apply for one and it's a little booklet that lets you travel internationally.
A passport card is a national identity card that is legally identical to a passport book for identity and citizenship verification purposes.
Green cards are cards issued to immigrants who have been granted permanent residency.
The most popular form of identification card is an identification card issued by a state's motor vehicle agency. These function as identification cards only and are not proof of nationality or immigration status. If the holder is also licensed to drive, the words "identification card" are replaced with the words "driving license". The card is otherwise the same.
Military ID cards are issued by the military to soldiers and civilian staff members.
Student ID cards are issued by educational institutions to their pupils.
All of these documents are valid identity documents and can be used for any purpose (except that student ID cards are generally not valid for voting, buying alcohol, opening bank accounts, admission into casinos, or anything that requires the holder to be of adult age). Domestic airplane flights require a "REAL ID"-compliant identity card, which includes everything except student ID cards old state-issued identity cards, because those cards generally are valid for 10 years or more, and some are very old and lack security features present in newer cards.
The passport book and passport card can be used for land and sea travel within North America. The other documents cannot.
The disgusting thing is that other than university and school ID cards and military ID cards, none of these documents are issued for free. All of them require a fee to be paid before they are issued, which is why voter ID laws are controversial in the USA; they discriminate against those who cannot afford to pay the fees for an identity card and the offices where people can apply for them generally aren't located in the poorer areas of cities. Applying for a state-issued ID card is also generally an all-day affair as queues at the motor vehicle agency offices are very, very long.
The thing I tried pointing out is that there's barely any difference between Germany and USA when it comes to IDs, they may have a different name but do the same thing, except for air travel, you'll need an actual ID or passport for that. And you have to pay for most of them.
The only thing that is different is that you don't habe a voter's ID here, you vote by showing your voting invitation that is sent to registered Adress automatically and verifying your identity by presenting your ID or passport. The idea that you have to pay for voting is inherently idiotic, it is counter-logical
"Voter ID" refers to the fact that the voter must have an ID card. You can use any ID and some ID-like documents as well (such as a firearms license). In states where these laws are in place, voters who do not possess an ID card or passport book when they go to the polling station will not be allowed to vote. The part I highlight is that there are no acceptable ID cards for voting that can be easily obtained free of charge. Some states that have voter ID laws will allow people to obtain a "voter identity certificate" that can be used to vote, however, obtaining one usually requires a trip to the motor vehicle agency.
This is a voter suppression tactic. The goal is to make it more difficult for people whose political leanings you want to discriminate against to vote. In all cases in the US, these tactics are used against left-leaning voters or those who live in left-leaning areas. A common voter suppression scheme usually has these properties:
Ok yeah that's a different story, also the prices for passport and passport ID for first issues are ridiculous, that is twice as much as I'd have to pay to have my passport-issuing expedited, which I already find ridiculous. First issuing is done when you are mandated to be able to present an ID, i.e. at 14, and it's free of charge as far as I can remember, everything after is a renewal. Having to register to vote is in and of itself, the self-proclaimed origin and beacon of democracy is an opt-in democracy which throws logs in your way to hinder you from voting apparently.
Voting by mail is also much simpler here, you just apply, a few weeks later you get the forms, no reason required - it is your constitutional right to vote after all.
And in any case, voting is always on a Sunday, which is always a mandatory holiday, most of the population doesn't work that day. Hours are the same though. And I believe that all the IDs you have listed besides an actual ID and a passport are not enough to vote here. I am not sure if election papers are translated, but since the communal elections are the only ones open to non-Germans i.e. EU-citizens that live here, and speaking German is mandatory to get a citizenship, that is not that mich of an issue. Frankly speaking, while I see the point you raise, nowadays with camera translations, that is generally not that much of a hurdle.
Polling stations reflect the election areas, whereas each one represents one distinct area. They are directly linked to the population density.