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[–] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 98 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I guess I'm going to be that guy today. Android is Linux, and it's installed on a lot of mobile devices already.

[–] mkwt@lemmy.world 27 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Another aspect to this is that Android is Linux, but it is not GNU / Linux. This is true both in the literal sense of not using GNU coreutils or glibc, and also in the broader sense.

What I mean by the "broader" sense:

  • no X or Wayland
  • GTK or Qt support is something an application has to bring with them.
  • filesystem is substantially reorganized
  • users and system permissions setup substantially differently

To the application programmer Android / Linux looks like a completely different ball game.

[–] JetpackJackson@feddit.org 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And you can (sometimes) install something like PostmarketOS which is closer to the kind of linux people think about when they hear "Linux"

[–] wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

PostmarketOS isn't "closer"... It fully is GNU/Linux.

[–] actionjbone@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago

You are correct. His statement wasn't about technology, it was about expectations.

[–] sun_is_ra@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Android is maintaining a fork of Linux kernel that has since diverged.

Its like saying MAC is UNIX, technically yes but not really

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Its like saying MAC is UNIX, technically yes but not really

macOS is UNIX-based. Period. In fact, “[s]tarting with Leopard, macOS has been certified as compatible with the Single UNIX Specification version 3 (SUSv3).” Source

[–] sun_is_ra@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Exactly Android also is "Linux based" period.

That's my point.

[–] ForgotAboutDre@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Mac isn’t UNIX based, it is UNIX and comes with many of the UNIX tools a user would expect. Completely different situation.

[–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

so macOS is sus

[–] ricdeh@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

macOS definitely is Unix. In the literal sense that it is actually certified (unlike FreeBSD, for example), and it is very much Unix-y under the hood.

[–] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

As far as I can tell literally everything (except for windows) is UNIX, it isn’t exactly a high bar to pass, it’s like saying all drinks are water based which is technically true but I’m not going to give a kid a wine box when I run out of juice boxes.

[–] zante@lemmy.wtf 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I think that Linux is synonymous with open source and freedom and to some extent privacy.

android is synonymous with Google

I’m only guessing, but when people ask about a Linux tablet or phone, they actually want the former, rather than the later, even though android is a Linux derivative, as you rightly said.

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] zante@lemmy.wtf 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I don’t know if you are deliberately missing the point ?

You need a lot more than open source android to make a phone work.

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I didn’t miss the point. Maybe you’re conflating a distribution with an operating system. But, since you brought it up:

  1. LineageOS
  2. GrapheneOS
  3. Fire OS
  4. Many more…

My point is that — at least in my eyes — open source is not synonymous with one single project. Do with that what you will.