this post was submitted on 19 Sep 2024
211 points (98.6% liked)

politics

19096 readers
4809 users here now

Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!

Rules:

  1. Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.

Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.

Example:

  1. Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
  2. Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
  3. No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
  4. Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
  5. No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

That's all the rules!

Civic Links

Register To Vote

Citizenship Resource Center

Congressional Awards Program

Federal Government Agencies

Library of Congress Legislative Resources

The White House

U.S. House of Representatives

U.S. Senate

Partnered Communities:

News

World News

Business News

Political Discussion

Ask Politics

Military News

Global Politics

Moderate Politics

Progressive Politics

UK Politics

Canadian Politics

Australian Politics

New Zealand Politics

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] sxan@midwest.social 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You're not wrong, but the oil and gas industry, and generations of families have made livings on it, and our resulting current world status and wealth is largely founded upon it.

It's a problem; you can hate the problem, but ignoring it isn't a solution, and it's cost Democrats elections. This isn't a handful of Klansmen; it's an entire industry. The supply chain employs nearly 10M people in the US. Telling then you fuck off, relocate, and find different jobs doesn't win any votes.

[–] Moneo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Democrats could minimize these issues if they communicated better. If they just said "fracking destroys our communities and hurts americans. We are going to invest in green energy and training fracking workers to transition to different industries".

It's like how they aren't pointing out that undocumented migrants are regular tax paying people, and deporting them would be horrible. Instead of doing that they've moved further to the right and now are campaigning about how Trump blocked their awful border bill.

Democrats only have themselves to blame. They have absolutely no idea what they are doing.

[–] 5C5C5C@programming.dev 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

You'd be amazed at how resistant most people are to anything that feels unfamiliar, even if it's good for them. Coal and oil jobs are familiar, green jobs are not.

It should be as simple as you're suggesting, but sadly it isn't.

[–] Moneo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't buy it. It feels like these vague arguments are used against any progressive policy. "We can't tax the rich cause then they'll leave the country!"

If fossil fuel workers are so stubborn that they will refuse to vote for a party that wants to transition them into green energy jobs then their votes aren't worth it. If the democratic party allows the workers of a single industry to determine their climate policy then they are revealing themselves to be spineless and useless politicians.

[–] USSMojave@startrek.website 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Don't let perfect be the enemy of good. The reality is that dismantling an industry so enmeshed in our economy, both nationally and locally, is HARD. People WILL be negatively impacted and it would be stupid to ignore that. Democrats have to walk a very thin tightrope to not alienate people, which is what will happen if we go as hard as we should

[–] isaaclw@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I think the media doesn't help, and people don't talk about how bad climate change is. Everyone buries their head in the sand

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's what they said about coal and the messaging didn't help. People associated with the coal industry still saw it as an attack against them and their way of life.

[–] Moneo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Fuck those people then. The democrats should not allow a small portion of the population to dictate something as important as climate policy.

The only way this argument makes any sense is if we assume the democrats are spineless and useless. Which they are, but still.

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 1 points 1 month ago

Democrats need votes if they're going to accomplish anything, so they have to compromise. I agree that it's not great and I wish that we had a progressive party with any power to it.