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Not having children is an interesting topic I'd like to know more about. Do you have any good talks or lectures about it? I mean, we are on this planet because life propagates, it's baked into the core of every living thing. I wouldn't say we have to have kids, but it's a driving force behind a lot of stuff that we do. And it is such a journey! I know kids emit co2, but to me, telling people not to have kids feels like giving up on hope and on life itself.
And I know earth is getting crowded, too. But the western world is not growing at all, other places do. So I'd say, let's make life over there better and safer, so families over there don't have to rely on children to look after them when the get old. Like Europe and the US did like a century ago.
I probably should have phrased it as "have less children" :)
My list was based on the book "How Bad Are Bananas" which goes into depth about the carbon emissions from various things, including children.
I'm not 100% sure that attributing the emissions of a child to their parents is correct 'accounting'. Maybe only their emissions until age 18? Still, all the emissions caused by that child and it's descendants would not have happened if it wasn't for the decision their parents made to create it. Accounted for this way, there is no doubt this is the most impactful decision someone in a developed country can make (that was the framing the OP used so I went with that) but it is not the most likely to happen, most practical or most moral option.
That is the problem with the whole CO2 footprint. You chosing not to fly is reducing your CO2 footprint, but airline companies will respond with ad campaigns and cries for state help and then other people will take your seat. But if you think it from a CO2 footprint perspective, you are responsible for CO2 produced by your actions. You take the decision to take that long-distance flight to Bali and that adds to your lifetime CO2 emissions. You put solar on your roof and that reduces your lifetime CO2 emissions considerably. And yes, an additional human on this planet will produce a lot of CO2 in his lifetime. And you as a couple are deciding to put him onto this planet - so from that perspective it is totally a good way to reduce your direct CO2 impact by deciding to birth another human.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_Human_Extinction_Movement
I think aiming for extinction is shortsighted and puts a lot of blame on humanity as a whole for the wrongs of colonialism.
But reducing our population, especially in countries with a larger carbon footprint (and not in developing countries as eco fascists would prefer) is a worthy goal.
Blaming humanity instead of blaming colonialism is the prevailing notion behind eco-fascism.
I was able to get a vasectomy in my 20s with no children. Not everyone has a cool doctor, so results may vary. And I know that it can be a lot more difficult for cis women to get surgical birth control.
Not having children doesn't solve anything. That's just an abandonment of the future. It directly harms people who need help - the elderly, those with disabilities and medical conditions, etc.
100% agreed. Suggesting "not having children" as the first best thing you can do is IMO lazy at best and eco-fascist at worst.
Can you explain why me not having a child would directly harm people with disabilities? I really struggle to see the logic here - even if you want to point out that we need younger generations in order to care for the elderly, there is still a record number of humans living on the planet right now and I struggle to understand what an individual child would change here
We would completely solve the climate crisis in one generation if we all stopped having kids.