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JD Vance says US could veto NATO if Europe tries to regulate Elon Musk’s platforms
(www.independent.co.uk)
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JD, buddy, what you don't understand is that Europe's free speech is far more free than the US.
Americans have a tendency to think they have everything and everyone else has nothing. Until we go somewhere else and discover it's the other way around.
JD: But Germany banned the Nazi symbol! One of the few free speech things I care about!
But not Europes FREEZEPEACH(tm)! And freezepeach is all that matters
Its a race to the bottom as the police and surveillance states of the entire NATO block fill to bursting.
Vance is bitching because an American company got on the wrong side of the European security state today. Tomorrow, he'll be clamoring to shut down the BBC or to censor some German metal band for being critical of his Dear Leader.
Obviously healthcare and education are things they are pretty much guaranteed that we don't have. They have better worker protections. I mean I'm not against gun rights, but what we have in the States is an embarrassment. I'm sure there are several other issues that I'm not thinking of right now or don't know about, but I didn't know we had worse free speech than Europe.
What makes Europe free speech more free than ours?
What makes the US have more free speech?
Legally all EU countries have freedom of expression enshrined in their constitutions.
Culturally I find Americans blind to any non governmental censorship. Since it's legal its OK.I believe not allowing private companies to censor people is absurdly considered a violation of free speech.
There are obvious results as well: the US is way less politically diverse.
That's true. Ancaps love to talk how almost anything government-done can be done by private entities in the right conditions and social consensus. Turns out this is true for censorship too.
I'm completely ideology-agnostic at this point. Whatever works, works. Nothing around seems to work though.
In any case, while this is true, power goes the shortest way and power corrupts. USA is the hegemon of our world and the center of our civilization, which is now united by American English language and American technologies, and what's the worst, American corporations. Much more power goes its way to corrupt it.
You know how bad people like to grease in shit the right tools for fixing the problem, preventively? That Putinist thing about "multi-polar" world means that they want to be a little hegemon too, and to have free reign in gray zones. But there is a similar sane point.
But really decentralization of tech research and production and standards is something we all need else we vanish. Right now we have one big Internet with one set of protocols, a handful of very complex software stacks everybody uses, and this situation should already be called a centralized one. Due to network effects and other, mostly with fake argument, kinds of pressure it doesn't make sense for most people to use parallel systems.
A de-facto conglomerate of companies, social groups, interests and ideas can be a monopolist too.
I'm not who you asked, but I often think of supression tactics against forms of free speech used in the US that some countries in the EU do less. Not all of them (UK online speech policing and arrests as a counterexample), but voter supression, union busting, and law enforcement response to protests have been handled in various countries in ways I consider more free for the citizens.
TLDR: Intimidation tactics and biased response happens less in other countries.
The gist: While free speech is a constitutional right in both the US and most European countries, free speech is now controlled to a large degree by social media companies in the US.
Here's a good, short recap of a longer study on the subject from a US scholar: https://news.ku.edu/news/article/2020/01/11/study-analyzes-american-other-free-speech-traditions-suggests-inevitable-clashes