Seriously, Greens would be considered conservatives in Cuba or even France. Yet they're still somehow leftwing extremists compared to progressives within the DNC.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 57 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Sadly not just in the USA. Getting fucked everywhere

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 52 points 2 months ago

At least in other places it seems like the economy receding or stagnating has led to some measured resurgence of keynesianism or some resistance to neoliberalism in forms that are distinct from fascism, i.e. left wing populism. In the US the only response to the failure of neoliberalism is more neoliberalism, and anyone who wants an alternative is attacked as a stooge for the fascists (who also just want more neoliberalism).

[–] Riffraffintheroom@hexbear.net 50 points 2 months ago (1 children)

God the Overton Window in the US is so fucked lmao

I have low expectations and still I was surprised by Kamala “FUCK YOU I LOVE FRACKING” Harris’ showing during the debate

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 13 points 2 months ago

She seriously sounded like an early aughts Republican it was quite jarring

[–] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 46 points 2 months ago

i've been saying, these days in western capitalist countries being to the left of mussolini is considered a threat to the system.

[–] heatenconsumerist@hexbear.net 44 points 2 months ago (2 children)

They do actually have a shot at winning though.

As much as people like Claudia are 100x better, the Green's have over 270 possible electoral votes

AOC wouldn't be shit-stirring (against a party that she once campaigned for) unless shit was really hitting the fan for the dems.

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 26 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Can you give me a source for that? I saw the Breakfast club interview, and as much as I want to believe they have a genuine chance to win many electoral votes, are they not just mostly scrambling to get enough Dem voters to force Dems to make concessions?

[–] heatenconsumerist@hexbear.net 52 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

To be completely honest, no candidates are likely to beat the Imperialist/Fascist combo of Kamala/Trump.

However, the Green's have waaaaay over 270 possible electoral votes

Versus the map that the Dems keep sharing

And they're having AOC campaign against her old party (and acting like she's never even heard of the Green Party that she took the Green New Deal from)

That, along w/ forcing large lib talk-shows to shit on RFK/Stein/Claudia, makes me think that the dem's internal polls must be abysmal and they are 100% not winning.

Can we get the libs on board for anything left of "hunting the poors for sport"? Likely not brainworms

Edit: To clarify, I would vastly prefer the PSL, but I think the Greens have a genuine shot (albeit, likely very naive of me to think so)

[–] Antiwork@hexbear.net 50 points 2 months ago

Greens don't really have any shot to do anything of substance. But voting for them pisses off libs so it's the best option for voting currently.

[–] newacctidk@hexbear.net 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

God she is such a fucking rat

[–] Fishroot@hexbear.net 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

And they're having AOC campaign against her old party (and acting like she's never even heard of the Green Party that she took the Green New Deal from)

Tbf If i’m a high level politician with the dem, i would keep a person who betrays her old party on a leash and keep giving them crumbs

[–] ItalianMessiah@hexbear.net 38 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The reason why voting Green is productive(ish) is that if they get a high enough % than they get certain rights as a "legitimate" party. Certain federal funds and ballot access are the basic ones. I think if they get a certain amount then they'll also be included in the presidential debates. If they ever get that far it may just tip their legitimacy enough to make them a viable third-party.

[–] Chronicon@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I think if they get a certain amount then they'll also be included in the presidential debates.

like most things in the us political system this is actually not formalized and afaik is just a handshake deal between the parties and the news networks that put on the debates. I've heard polling thresholds bandied about in the past for primary debates but only as a way to exclude candidates, never a consistent number that small parties can actually reach.

[–] gay_king_prince_charles@hexbear.net 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What I want to see is third parties targeting local and state elections where they have a chance of getting in office as opposed to presidential elections which are just neutered demonstrations. I must see the PSL take Chattanooga.

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 2 points 2 months ago

Is there a reason why we haven't seen this happen?

I get that PSL does the Presidential campaign for exposure, but I don't see why they don't do local campaigns where they could actually organize a victory. Shit like that is why I feel like participating in PSL would just be pointless protests without much substance or wins.

Granted, I feel that way about the other parties too. I also talk a lot of shit about DSA but at least they've ran candidates and won.

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 38 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The problem with the Overton window argument is that democrats move right even when they win

[–] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 31 points 2 months ago (1 children)

the-democrat "We lost? It's because we didn't do enough to appeal to conservative voters!"

the-democrat "We won? In the spirit of unity, it's time to work across the aisle with our Republican colleagues."

[–] Civility@hexbear.net 9 points 2 months ago

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