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Created a new community, !aom@lemm.ee, for the newly-released Age of Mythology game (aussie.zone)

submitted 3 months ago by Zagorath@lemm.ee to c/fedigrow@lemm.ee

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Created this account so I could create the community. Decided on lemm.ee because my main account is on aussie.zone, which does not allow community creation (and limits its communities to things about Australia). Figured lemm.ee is better than lemmy.world due to the latter's performance/federation issues.

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[–] Zagorath@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I really like the idea of topic-based instances. There are some issues doing it that way with discovery, and potentially with what happens when communities split (see for example what happened with !risa@startrek.website splitting to !tenforward@lemmy.world), but on the whole I really like the way it can reduce the drama caused by entirely unrelated factors. I'm a big fan of ttrpg.network for that reason, and I guess you could describe my main home instance of aussie.zone as being one, too.

I'm curious about that business. With so many Mastodon and other fediverse instances available for free to anyone, what's the business model for a paid service?

[–] rglullis@communick.news 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Nice, I went ahead and created !aom@level-up.zone . As soon as you make a post there I can make you a moderator as well.

I'm really glad to see more people getting the point of these instances. Reducing drama is certainly one of the biggest factors, and "good fences make good neighbors" is a good principle here.

what’s the business model for a paid service

It's a difficult one, if I am being honest. I started this as a side project because I believed that with all the abuses from Facebook and Twitter, people would finally understand that "if you are not paying for the product, you are the product" is not just a nice slogan. Unfortunately, it seems that the large majority of people will rather live jumping from instance to instance and project to project instead of paying a few bucks per month to support independent developers.

But to give you a more cheerful response, Communick is not just about Fediverse. My background is in telecommunications, and the idea is to offer any type of service for messaging that is based on open standards, which also includes VoIP. It also provides Matrix and I've been trying to figure out how I can add support for SIP calling in a way that could make this a compelling alternative for Digital nomads that need to deal with multiple phone numbers.

Looking at the Fediverse only, some reasons to charge for access:

it is a lot easier to handle moderation. Trolls and spammers are not willing to pay a few bucks per month when they can do it for free in the open instances.
the instances never get oversubscribed. I only need to invest in more infrastructure if I have more customers. All of the "free" instances end up invariably having to close registrations, or to beg for donations or simply crumble under their own weight.
I strongly believe that charging a bit from everyone is more fair than asking big donations from some people to make up for the freeloaders.
There should be enough people out there who know how much their time is worth and understand the value proposition to make this a sustainable business.
Because of federation, network effects are not a huge deal. A theoretical centralized social network with tens of thousand users is pretty much dead, but Communick can be relevant to its customers even when we are super small.

[–] Zagorath@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago

I appreciate it, and if I ever do get around to doing something about aoe2 or aoe4 I may use that instance, or if I see someone else express interest in creating game-related communities I'll recommend they head in your direction. But for now I've already created it on this instance, and don't see the benefits as being strong enough to outweigh that.