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yes I think the bigger problem here is right wing propagandists masquerading as lefties.
My honest interpretation is that there are actually very few right wing propagandists masquerading as lefties, but they are very effective at bringing hapless idiot lefties to their narrative.
yeah, some mix of that too for sure.
Are you referring to Lemmy.world?
Look, one of the more active ones. Tell us again how Cuba is a great example of communism working as intended.
Why do you believe that it isn't? Under what pretext does my being a Marxist make me right-wing?
Oh, I'm not restarting this conversation with you. You've showed your colors when you told me that an article that explains my stance wasn't an explanation of my stance. Only reason you and others like you sre not blocked is because I get a chuckle out of seeing your nonsense, plus I like to help pointing it out for others that might not know it's nonsense.
I asked you what your definition of poverty was, and you shared an article with no reference to definition, only to rate of poverty. I wanted to know how you were defining poverty, as we can track metrics over time and analyze external factors. You were uninterested.
You threw a fit and logged off.
Ok, I'll spell it out for you, maybe you're just that dense. This is a quote from the link, right below the title. The literal subtitle of the article: "seven out of 10 Cubans have stopped eating breakfast, lunch, or dinner due to lack of money or shortages".
If that's not an explanation, then I'm sorry, maybe we have different definitions for the word. So there you go. My definition of poverty in this case is people not having food to eat.
Again, this was at the top of the article, which you'd have seen if you were interested, which you're obviously not. As we've already established, only pretending to be a "lefty"
Cuba is currently running into issues due to liberalization measures, and betting harder on tourism. This is compounded by the ongoing trade embargo, which hit especially hard during COVID.
Seems like Cuba is now doing worse as it has introduced liberalization measures.
It has since applied to join BRICS, which should see increased trade.
Well? What happened? Thought it was a good example? And not another failure in which the people are suffering while the "president" is a rich fuck?
And for those that aren't aware, this "liberalization" had nothing to do with personal freedoms, it's talking about the economy. And it started 30 years ago. And it's getting worse, not better, despite all that time. Any day now, however...
The system overall is good. The structure is more democratic, LGBTQ rights are better protected than the US by law, and social safety nets are generous. Facing temporary economic struggles in the context of a global pandemic compounded by an ongoing fascist trade embargo does not mean the Cuban system overall is bad. As an example, what would you do?
Why would liberalization mean personal freedoms? Cuba already has high levels of personal freedoms, moreso than America, of course I am referring to introducing more Capitalist market reforms.
Either way, Cuba was steadily improving over time, even beating the US in life expectancy, with lower starvation rates. Their latest slump is again due to being hit particularly hard by COVID.
Again, it was terrible quality of life before the liberalization which started 30 years ago, because that's why it started, and it's gotten worse, not better since. Stop trying to blame it on the pandemic, it was bad before it as I've already said and you've ignored.
As for the other stuff you've mentioned: Good for them on the LGBTQ and healthcare stuff, that's a great thing, however...
"Human rights in Cuba are under the scrutiny of human rights organizations, which accuse the Cuban government of committing systematic human rights abuses against the Cuban people, including arbitrary imprisonment and unfair trials.International human rights organizations such as Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch have drawn attention to the actions of the human rights movement and designated members of it as prisoners of conscience, such as Óscar Elías Biscet. In addition, the International Committee for Democracy in Cuba led by former statesmen Václav Havel of the Czech Republic, José María Aznar of Spain and Patricio Aylwin of Chile was created to support the Cuban dissident movement."
"Press freedom is an ongoing issue in Cuba. The country has ranked low on the Press Freedom Index, a list published by Reporters Without Borders which reflects the degree of freedom that journalists, news organisations, and netizens have in a country. Cuba has been ranked among the index's “least free" countries for a decade."
As someone whose family lived under a similar regime I can tell you one thing: quality of life is more than stats. Stats can be good while real quality of life is shit. Which is what appears to be happening there. Which is what usually(probably always?) happens under authoritarian regimes.
Citation needed.
You're trusting far-right think-tanks on Communist countries? Lmao.
Quality of Life must be compared by metrics. Additionally, Cuba is more democratic than the US and similar western countries, and your love of far-right think-tanks doesn't do you any favors.
I'm just quoting Wikipedia. Not sure how that's making me a lover of far right think tanks. You're free to edit it and provide sources for it and it'll be changed if it's wrong.
And yes, metrics such as 7/10 people can't afford food. Not metrics such as "the country with only one political party is more democratic than western countries".
Anyway, we're back to square one. Me quoting sources, you dismissing them and not providing anything in return. Typical. Anyway, nobody's gonna read this far down anyway, so I'm out. Or storming off, as you like to put it. Mark another victory in your calendar. xD
You're quoting references to Far-Right think tanks as referenced on Wikipedia, don't white-wash it.
Yes, metrics change over time. Cubans on average are more food secure than US citizens over the last few decades, only recently has this changed. Additionally, Cuba is indeed more democratic, if you think democracy is measured by party and not by what and who you can vote on, you're woefully misinformed.
Gotcha, will do. Victory number 2 against you.
Oh you mean ml?
What on Earth are you talking about?