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America has been an empire. It is an empire. That fact does not change just because the far right want to destroy this country and turn it into a fascist theocracy. That is entirely separate from how much "good" or "bad" the country can theoretically do, the two are entirely unrelated. You are trying to determine if a piranha is a fish by seeing if it can play free form jazz. There is no connection between something being an empire and something having the potential to be better down the road.
This country was built off of a genocide of Native Americans and then literally built off the backs of enslaved Africans treated worse than animals in lifelong captivity. For hundreds of years. Any discomfort you get from recognizing the US is an empire is a good starting point to grappling with this truth: America is an empire, it did and STILL does terrible things to maintain that status, and it's not any more special than any other empire with a similarly awful history just because of some notion of American exceptionalism. Recognizing this stuff is honestly step 1, probably even step 0, to putting this country on the right path that you and me are hoping for!!
Right now you are doing the equivalent of when someone asks "What's with all this talk about racism lately? If we all just stopped talking about it and worrying about it, racism will disappear!" A fact does not go away just because we are uncomfortable with confronting it. The US WAS built on white supremacist genocide. It CAN get better. These two statements are not incompatible. What IS incompatible is wishing for it to get better while whitewashing and softening what has made it awful so far while saying people who have harsh criticisms of this country are basically playing the useful idiot for fascists. You would not afford this 'nuance' and sympathy for any other nation with America's history.
Only one side of the political spectrum recognizes this country as an unfortunately successful genocidal imperial state, and it is DEFINITELY not the right wing. In fact, they (right wingers) are the only ones trying to downplay and soften the state's past atrocities while claiming people who point out said atrocities are 'CRT-brainwashed liberal pinkos' that are bringing this country down. I kindly, strongly urge you to seriously think about what I've said in this discussion, as I think it's clear you are not some bad guy that wants to wish away America's horrors, but I think you are accidentally becoming the same useful fool for the right wing that you worry about. Best case scenario, you still come off as whitewashing imperialist empires, just only when it's from a country you favor.
Anyways, I don't think I have anything else to add in this discussion and I'm not really interested in a lengthier discussion on whether the US is an empire or not, so I'm dipping out here. Hope you have a good day!