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Ken M on love-making
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They're talking about how religions like Christianity make sex a "shameful" act that should never be enjoyed outside of anything but institutional marriage, even though it's completely natural to desire consensual sex for myriad reasons.
The fact that humans can recognize the biological motivations of sexuality and its various purposes (pleasure, connection, procreation) doesn't make sex stupid, silly, or somehow undignified. Religious institutions try hard to make anything sexual a sin in order to shame adherents into not having sex because "only God can grant you that joy and only within marriage, anything else sends you straight to hell."
Did .. did you just say pedophilia is natural? Any and all arguments you have made are null and void. Your opinion is shit and you should feel like shit.
You don't think there's an evolutionary advantage to getting at girls first when they're young as possible before other guys do? You don't think that advantage from that behavior got passed into genes? Why do you think it happens? There's no rational sociably equitable reason for it. I'm not sitting here condoning it. It's obviously bad. Youth generally comes with all the indicators of health. I don't think you consider the word 'natural' the same way I do. You think of natural as being 'okay and healthy' and I think of it as 'wild, competitive, and not consciously regulated'. Behavior is not generally without reason. Everything is because of reasons.
Against my better judgement I'm gonna try to respond to this.
To begin with, prepubescent girls can't get pregnant. After that, young girls have an increased risk of not being able to carry a pregnancy to term, dying in childbirth, and of birthing children who end up underdeveloped.
No, then it would likely be more commonplace instead of being abnormal.
I strongly disagree with this assessment when it comes to people who have not physically developed into adulthood yet.
Sometimes those reasons are because something has gone wrong. Or because of random chance. To think every behavior fulfills an intended purpose that is evolutionarily beneficial is unscientific in my view.
Ok so I'm not taking about pedophilia I guess. It's the middle ground one where's it's post puberty because that's what makes sense. Gotta also consider the social aspect of it. Claiming a girl while she's still so young is likely to mean she's around when she can have a baby.
You're right that some behavior can be totally random because of an error and the error is reason, but it really seems like there's a LOT of pedophiles and rapists. I can only imagine there's a much more compelling reason.
Edit: I'm glad you're not one of the trolls.
I would blame more of it on social conditioning than on genetics. Our instincts and urges provide a baseline to steer us in the direction that historically has been beneficial to for survival, but those are not what ultimately what decide our actions, nor are they always even beneficial.
One example comes to mind is men not talking about their feelings, not only does it exacerbate mental health issues and cause a great deal of personal anguish and even death, it also increases the likelihood of interpersonal violence which is bad for society at large.
I think the reason why people react the way they do is not because they are trolls but rather because it very much comes off as you making excuses for pedophilia, which is already a very sensitive subject to talk about.
"getting at girls" "as young as possible", even post-puberty is basically pedophilia, do you not agree?
Not by definition, no. People generally call anything under 18 pedophilia though, so I'm rolling with that language.
this sounds like incel logic disguised as sensible evolutionary science. we have social etiquette that requires treating these topics with a delicacy that you have completely ignored which raises all sorts of red flags. if you want to be listened to about controversial topics then you are going about it in an awful way.
Etiquette stops the instant someone calls me a pedophile, incel, or otherwise tries to their me under a bus. Get fucked.
You started with the incel arguments
That first sentence made me physically recoil. What is wrong with you? Go seek help, for all of our sakes.
What's wrong with me? Absolutely nothing. I'm just looking at evidence and not covering my eyes pretending everyone is above the shit they're consistently caught doing.
There's a lot of fucking things wrong with you
Yes, obviously, but evolution is slow. The last 100,000 years has done next to nothing.