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Jonathan Lewis Jr., 17, was badly injured in the Nov. 1 attack near Rancho High School in Las Vegas. He died less than a week later.

Four teenagers accused of fatally beating a classmate last year in Las Vegas have agreed to plead guilty to voluntary manslaughter, which will keep them from being tried as adults, attorneys confirmed Thursday.

Nine students were arrested in connection with the melee on Nov. 1 involving a large group of people near Rancho High School, in which 17-year-old Jonathan Lewis was critically injured; he later died.

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[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 45 points 3 months ago (4 children)

I gotta say I never understood the whole not trying them as adults thing.

I get that kids brains aren't fully developed and that can lead them to do some morally apprehensive things but that just sounds like a bullshit excuse. That's an excuse meant to be used for shit like stealing a candy bar or mild vandalism not beating someone to death.

Honestly I think the parents of the child should also end up with legal ramifications. You raised a piece of shit now you get to deal with the consequences.

[–] cynthorpe 11 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Every kid who commits adult crimes should be charged as an adult.

[–] JohnyRocket@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 3 months ago (2 children)

What about the case of a 10yo killing its abusive neo nazi father? Does the child fully understand the consequences of what it did, or did it just want the abuse to stop?

That child got as many years jailtime as it was old at the time of the killing.

Sources: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/08/26/i-shot-dad-the-tragic-case-of-a-child-who-killed-his-abusive-neo-nazi-father/

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/10-year-old-boy-who-killed-neo-nazi-father-denied-supreme-court-review/

[–] cynthorpe 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I think we can all agree that killing Nazis is never a crime.

Also, if he was being abused, that’s self defense. What he needed was a better lawyer.

[–] loutr@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago

Holy shit that was heavy. Master race indeed...

[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Without clarification on what you mean by "adult crimes", this is basically just saying "eliminate the juvenile justice system and feed the children to the sharks".

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 months ago

Change the address of the prison term but not the length.

[–] cynthorpe -2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Felonies. Let’s just use that as the line.

[–] monsieur_hackerman@programming.dev 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

How about violent felonies? In amerikkka its a felony to be black in certain areas.

[–] cynthorpe -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It may seem like that based on police behavior, but that isn’t true.

[–] Noodle07@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's pretty true when they're dead

[–] cynthorpe 1 points 3 months ago

Still, not illegal. However, the murder should be… and it is often not.

[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You fundamentally don't understand the purpose of the juvenile justice system, you're just interested in the most punitive system possible. That is the system we already have, and we're one of the worst in world at it. There's no good argument for making the system even worse by cracking down on children specifically.

[–] cynthorpe 3 points 3 months ago

No, I understand it. I just don’t agree with you.

Kids who kill on purpose, and not in self defense, deserve to be treated like any other human.

Additionally, the parents should share in a good portion of then penalty.

Obviously each case has its own circumstances, so we shouldn’t throw the book at every one.

The kids in question were very much aware of what is right and wrong.

[–] Zron@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

You want your cake and to eat it too.

Either a 17 year old is old enough to control themselves and skills be tried as an adult, in which case they’re ills enough to be responsible for their actions. Or, a 17 is too immature, and their parent’s are responsible for their behavior.

[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 8 points 3 months ago

There were 9 students involved and 4 pleaded guilty.

I think we can establish a link between undeveloped brains and mob mentality.