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I know I’ve expressed dislike for the guy in the past, but seriously? I thought for even something like this, he would at least have a good take on it.

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[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Maybe it's just me but if there are Leftists who initially took power with popular support, mobilized popular support to prevent coups multiple times, and then continue to keep fascists at bay through some electoral fraud in order to maintain power, is that so bad?

I feel like "democracy" brainworms is something I've been working on myself and, in cases like these, what does it matter if in a given election a leftist Party doesn't win majority? Most of the time, maybe, Leftists won't win majority until they finally take power by force. It doesn't mean they shouldn't take power to do better for the people. In Venezuela, they are currently severely limited and impaired by the US sanctions but it's still a better existence than under capitalist coup conspirators.I didn't watch the video but I'm sure people in Venezuela are struggling right now and this may be why Maduro is less popular, but in my opinion it's mostly the fault of the US. If Maduro can stay in power to maintain the revolution and hopefully turn things around, then that's good even if there was a little electoral fraud.

That being said, I don't think nor know if there was any.

Uncritical support to the Bolivarian Revolution. chavez-salute maduro-salute

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

The main question here imo is if Maduro and the rest of the Chavistas can still be called "leftist" when they're basically just socdems at this point.

I'm also unsure how things would shake out for standard of living for the average venezuelan if an opposition government got in and sanctions were lifted, even if they ended up privatizing everything. Not in favor of it, to be clear, but I'm not sure of a precedent.

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 4 points 3 months ago

That's fair. I don't know too much about what's going on since Maduro took power, to be honest. But still would prefer Chavista social democrats fighting off the imperial core with popular support than fascist collaborationists with business interests.

Easy for me to say, of course, but I can't imagine life will be better for the poor and working class under the latter. That's probably why Maduro still has support.