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'You're blowing it': Trump's fans beg him to change course as polls show GOP slipping
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Howard Dean's political career ended because of a random scream of enthusiasm. Jeb Bush said "Please Clap."
Remember, we're talking about what the "final straw" is that broke the camel's back. The final straw may not necessarily be the heaviest one. Just the last one.
If the game is tied in the 4th quarter and your QB got picked off for the 3rd time in a row, don't be surprised when even the rest of the team starts telling the coach it may be time to bench him. It's exactly what just happened to Biden.
Nah, though. We're not.
Howard Dean was squeaky clean when "the scream" happened. He was everyone's favorite, and it was too early to say for sure at that moment but we felt like he could win the whole shebang. Then he screamed and it came crashing down. It wasn't a "final straw". It was the only straw. A straw made of Republican propaganda and enemy action, swallowed by democratic liberals.
As for Jeb Bush, he was underwhelming from the start. Nobody wanted him to be president; probably not even him. "Please clap" was his admission that his campaign wasn't working at all. Again, not a final straw. In this case there wasn't even a camel in the room, just Jeb, giving up.
None of these models applies cleanly to Trump. It's not a "final straw" because there's a mountain of straw; bales of straw as far as the eye can see. It's not Howard Dean for the same reason. It's not Jeb Bush either, because Trump may be faltering but he is literally incapable of throwing in the towel. He doesn't even contain that, as an option.
So I don't know why this one is sticking, but I think we're closer to Jeb Bush territory than Howard Dean. I think everyone but Trump is getting a glimpse of the fact that this is going to be a bloodbath for him.
Dean and Bush may not be the most on-point comparisons, but my main point was to say it isn't always a big thing that could cause a political career to come crashing down. Sometimes, it's little, seemingly pointless things that just stick for all the wrong reasons.
Same thing could end up applying here. For all the racism, misogyny, corruption, lies, criminal acts, and Trump doing things literally daily that would have ended anyone elses career, Trump has been all but untouchable. And then someone called him weird. Sure, there was the NABJ interview, but the "weird" thing had already stuck, and if it weren't for that, it's very possible that that interview would have just been written off as another example of Trump being Trump. But nope. Now he's weird.
Of all the things Trump has said and done with impunity, being called weird may be what does the trick. Go figure.
Dean's yell was not a "last straw." If I recall, he was doing pretty well at the time actually.
I hate the sports analogy. I understand it because I like sports. It's apt because your statement resonates. What I hate is that it should be about the people and what needs to happen for a society. It's not a form of entertainment. It's life and death for most.
Do you have a link? I wanna see these goofy clips.
Well there's this, its old but pretty funny https://fxtwitter.com/ParrotVulcan/status/1813712659268722955?s=19
Also.
I don't know how much more digging around I wanna do in my discord server for random examples. And considering I wanted to delete this post -- still not sure why people can still.see my.posts after I delete them. Must be a bug with different instances
Not really a bug, more of a feature. It's easy to see what was deleted from comments in the fediverse. Maybe it only works in certain clients but it definitely works.
I think it's great for transparency. Some people may not be as vitriolic if they knew their comments would be immortalized on the internet.
I mean, I guess that's fine. People are more rude to me more than I am to them; I just can't always shake the feeling that a post is dumb and pointless