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cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/56333

r/ChapoTrapHouse was quarantined in August 2019 and finally banned on 30th June 2020 as part of a ban wave resulting from an update to reddit's content policy. Although over 2000 subs were banned in that wave r/ChapoTrapHouse was by far the most active, accounting for the majority of subscribers and users.

So, who decides Reddit's content policy? The answer seems to be the whole board, but drafting and enforcing it falls under the portfolio of Reddit's Director of Policy, Jessica Ashooh, who as you may or may not be aware, is a CIA plant.

This isn't some grand conspiracy theory or anything, it's not even particularly well hidden. A glance at the employment history listed on her linkedin page is enough to create suspicion and a few public domain FOIA internal CIA documents about her places of employment should prove it beyond reasonable doubt.

When she was appointed to her position at Reddit, Jessica Ashooh never worked at a social media company before, had never held a senior position in a private sector company, and had spent the last 7 years working public sector jobs.

Her immediate past position, from March 2015 - May 2017, was as Deputy Director Middle East Strategy Task Force at the Atlantic Council and before that from June 2011 to February 2015 she was a Senior Analyst at the Policy Planning Department of the UAE Ministry of Foreign Affairs

As this internal CIA document made publically available by FOIA shows, The Atlantic Council, is a CIA front.

As for how intimately involved she was with reddit's anti-evil program that got r/ChapoTrapHouse banned, well, here's a 2018 interview where she talks about it in her own words and goes through a day in the life.

Still, it made the team’s intentions clearer. Jessica Ashooh, Reddit’s head of policy, spent four years as a policy consultant in Abu Dhabi. “I know what it’s like to live under censorship,” she said. “My internal check, when I’m arguing for a restrictive policy on the site, is Do I sound like an Arab government? If so, maybe I should scale it back.” On the other hand, she said, “people hide behind the notion that there’s a bright line between ideology and action, but some ideologies are inherently more violent than others.”

In October, on the morning the new policy was rolled out, Ashooh sat at a long conference table with a dozen other employees. Before each of them was a laptop, a mug of coffee, and a few hours’ worth of snacks. “Welcome to the Policy Update War Room,” she said. “And, yes, I’m aware of the irony of calling it a war room when the point is to make Reddit less violent, but it’s too late to change the name.” The job of policing Reddit’s most pernicious content falls primarily to three groups of employees—the community team, the trust-and-safety team, and the anti-evil team—which are sometimes described, respectively, as good cop, bad cop, and RoboCop. Community stays in touch with a cross-section of redditors, asking them for feedback and encouraging them to be on their best behavior. When this fails and redditors break the rules, trust and safety punishes them. Anti-evil, a team of back-end engineers, makes software that flags dodgy-looking content and sends that content to humans, who decide what to do about it.

Ashooh went over the plan for the day. All at once, they would replace the old policy with the new policy, post an announcement explaining the new policy, warn a batch of subreddits that they were probably in violation of the new policy, and ban another batch of subreddits that were flagrantly, irredeemably in violation. I glanced at a spreadsheet with a list of the hundred and nine subreddits that were about to be banned (r/KKK, r/KillAllJews, r/KilltheJews, r/KilltheJoos), followed by the name of the employee who would carry out each deletion, and, if applicable, the reason for the ban (“mostly just swastikas?”). “Today we’re focussing on a lot of Nazi stuff and bestiality stuff,” Ashooh said. “Context matters, of course, and you shouldn’t get in trouble for posting a swastika if it’s a historical photo from the 1936 Olympics, or if you’re using it as a Hindu symbol. But, even so, there’s a lot that’s clear-cut.” I asked whether the same logic—that the Nazi flag was an inherently violent symbol—would apply to the Confederate flag, or the Soviet flag, or the flag under which King Richard fought the Crusades. “We can have those conversations in the future,” Ashooh said. “But we have to start somewhere.”

At 10 a.m., the trust-and-safety team posted the announcement and began the purge. “Thank you for letting me do DylannRoofInnocent,” one employee said. “That was one of the ones I really wanted.”

“What is ReallyWackyTicTacs?” another employee asked, looking down the list.

“Trust me, you don’t want to know,” Ashooh said. “That was the most unpleasant shit I’ve ever seen, and I’ve spent a lot of time looking into Syrian war crimes.”

Some of the comments on the announcement were cynical. “They don’t actually want to change anything,” one redditor wrote, arguing that the bans were meant to appease advertisers. “It was, in fact, never about free speech, it was about money.” One trust-and-safety manager, a young woman wearing a leather jacket and a ship captain’s cap, was in charge of monitoring the comments and responding to the most relevant ones. “Everyone seems to be taking it pretty well so far,” she said. “There’s one guy, freespeechwarrior, who seems very pissed, but I guess that makes sense, given his username.” “Are we gonna have to scrape the Daddy decal off the minivan?”

“People are making lists of all the Nazi subs getting banned, but nobody has noticed that we’re banning bestiality ones at the same time,” Ashooh said.

“No one wants to admit it,” an employee said. “ ‘Guys, I was just browsing r/HorseCock and I couldn’t help but notice . . .’ ”

The woman in the captain’s cap said, “O.K., someone just asked, ‘How will the exact phrase “kill yourself” be handled?’ ”

“It all depends on context,” Ashooh said. “They’re going to get tired of hearing that, but it’s true.”

“Uh-oh, looks like we missed a bestiality sub,” the woman in the captain’s cap said. >“Apparently, SexWithDogs was on our list, but DogSex was not.”

“Did you go to DogSex?” Ashooh said.

“Yep.”

“And what’s on it?”

“I mean . . .”

“Are there people having sex with dogs?”

“Oh, yes, very much.”

“Yeah, ban it.”

“I’m going to get more cheese sticks,” the woman in the captain’s cap said, standing up. “How many cheese sticks is too many in one day? At what point am I encouraging or glorifying violence against my own body?”

“It all depends on context,” Ashooh said.

So there you have it, Ashooh is almost certainly a CIA plant and as Director of Policy was almost certainly the one who both wrote the policy that got r/ChapoTrapHouse banned and made the final decision to bring down the hammer.

r/ChapoTrapHouse got banned by the CIA.

So congratulations to all of you beautiful people.

We posted hard and effectively enough that the feds engaged in a multi-year op to shut us down. Never let it be said that posting isn't praxis, or that communist ideas are inherently unpopular or unpalatable to the people living in the imperial core.

r/ChapoTrapHouse dies with the highest honours a leftist publication in the West can receive, it got so effective the glowy bois had to take action to shut it down. And we lived on to start it again in a way that can't be shut down so easily.

Being a subreddit gave r/ChapoTrapHouse the unique ability to reach reddit's userbase but the brand recognition's still there, and there's nothing stopping us reposting watermarked chapo.chat content to subs which aren't banned.

So stay safe, semper post, keep spreading the word about chapo.chat and remember that our primary purpose is as part of a pipeline. Help make Chapo.chat a fun and welcoming place so that the libs who stumble here bother to stay and be educated by osmosis.

With effort and a little luck we can rebuild this website into the subreddit the feds felt the need to shut down having removed their ability to do so.

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[–] buh@hexbear.net 96 points 1 year ago (2 children)

My internal check, when I’m arguing for a restrictive policy on the site, is Do I sound like an Arab government? If so, maybe I should scale it back.

us-foreign-policy us-foreign-policy us-foreign-policy us-foreign-policy us-foreign-policy

[–] Egon@hexbear.net 45 points 1 year ago

"what are we? A bunch of ~~asians~~ Muslims??"

[–] captcha@hexbear.net 60 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That interview was almost certainly staged holy shit it read like a TV show with banter and all.

Let's not give r/chapo that much credit though. It was clearly picked up in a sweep due to the George Floyed protests.

[–] motherfucker@hexbear.net 62 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I think there was also some inside baseball where it was a leftist sub that was regularly reaching the front page, which Reddit had always been hostile towards. The front page subs are heavily curated by Reddit-employed mods, so homegrown subs taking up too much space isn’t what they want. And then you get into the issue of it being used to both-sides the banning of The_Donald.

The truly nuanced take is probably that certain Reddit employees had an axe to grind when it came to r/chapotraphouse and it just so happened that some of those employees were “ex”-US-intelligence because that’s just how corporate social media rolls. These corporations have their monopoly status protected by world governments in exchange for making mass surveillance of their citizens cheap and easy. It’s a symbiotic relationship between factions of capital, not some masterfully-crafted meritocratic spy scheme. And r/CTH was not a major player in any of these tales, but there was still petty ideological targeting involved.

[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 58 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The best part is that T_D was long dead and abandoned by the time they finally banned it, they got rid of its empty husk while also banning a huge active commie subreddit

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 56 points 1 year ago

The mods in T_D had literally closed down the sub like 4 months before the ban.

No one could post or comment.

[–] GaveUp@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We'll always have r/genzedong being quarantined because they were spreading the truth about the Ukraine war immediately after it started

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

r/the_deprogram will bite the dust one day. It is however going to be significantly harder for them to justify given the quality of content produced by the pod and their youtube channels. It's quite hard to justify banning a youtuber subreddit. It will be yet another piece of evidence of the ideological bans they do.

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

In fairness, as well moderated as the sub is, it's clearly mostly inhabited by children and it's only a matter of time until admins can find some random comment from a literal child to scapegoat the whole sub on.

[–] Rod_Blagojevic@hexbear.net 60 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I'm always kind of fascinated by people like Jessica Ashooh that despite being younger than me are rubbing elbows with the rich and powerful. It always makes me a little embarrassed with my lack of prestige.

But I mostly hate people like this. I've conducted myself I ways that I'm not proud of in order to make money, keep my job, whatever, but at least I have the decency to keep a low profile. Also, all my bullshit is small time. I'm not driving geopolitical decisions that kill millions of poor people. I know no one never questions these people to their faces, but even as kids, were they never asked to reexamine any of their ideas? They've never looked below the surface of anything? Nothing is ever even grey with these people? Their confidence is really off putting.

I'm reading a lot into a little, but I looked at her LinkedIn page, and my psycho sense was on high alert

[–] SootyChimney@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Whether or not you hang out with the rich and powerful is 99% nepotism, c'mon now

[–] Rod_Blagojevic@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

True, but I also lack any social striver instinct. I'm pretty sure that's a good thing.

[–] marxisthayaca@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

they are someone's niece or nephew, and they were well-behaved little psychopaths and now they probably don't have a single independent thought that might make them question what all of this amounts to.

[–] TheWorldSpins@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Does anyone else remember their accounts having voting disabled? I tried on multiple accounts and devices and it was just my original 2010ish reddit account that couldn't vote anymore, the one I was active on CTH. They got petty.

[–] Mindfury@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I remember getting a number of warning PMs from the admins because I upvoted posts on chapo

[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not cool enough because I never got those warnings deeper-sadness

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 44 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes 100% every active CTH user had their account restricted. They were all also blacklisted permanently, so you couldn't do things like redditrequest for abandoned subreddits. You would be automatically rejected.

[–] Rojo27@hexbear.net 37 points 1 year ago

Not sure if I remember that, but the account I was active on CTH with had most of its comment history nuked even though most of my comments were on other subreddits.

[–] VHS@hexbear.net 46 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Leaked Emails Reveal Hillary Clinton Killed /r/CTH To Stop The Formation Of USSR:2

[–] motherfucker@hexbear.net 42 points 1 year ago

HRC seeing r/MoreMoreTankieChapo for the first time:

hillary-apartment

[–] raspberry_confetti@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 year ago

Aww, I want ussr:2 :c

[–] Egon@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago

"Kill yourself is handled depending on its context" is a fantastic sentence to just throw out there.
Also funny how they just so desperately wanna be sorkin-characters

[–] motherfucker@hexbear.net 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

For anyone curious what r/ReallyWackyTicTacs was…

NSFLIt was a subreddit dedicated to posting gore edits of minion memes. Like, gore for people who were so desensitized to it that they would prefer irony poisoned gore memes be mixed into their home feed. I never visited, but the descriptions I’ve read of it were horrific.

[–] brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 38 points 1 year ago

Erg, that puff piece "interview" is so painfully Sorkinesque.

[–] Tychoxii@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago

Not the first time feds shoot each other.

fedposting

[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago

I do 100% buy this. The thing is, there's more than two ideas that must be held in one's brain to understand this story, therefore the average lib will never believe it. It's very frustrating to me that, at the end of the day, most people will just believe quote the soundbites "brigading" and "calls to violence" and never think anymore about the issue.

[–] Melonius@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago

“We can have those conversations in the future,” Ashooh said. “But we have to start somewhere.”

maybe-later-kiddo

Ashooh looks at the camera. "Oh yeah, I just did that."

[–] marxisthayaca@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

If I believed in any single conspiracy with 100% conviction, it'd be this one.

Our response to the George Floyd Protests, where we would lionize the protesters burning down precincts and cars, and people would do in-street reporting of "Activist" leaders fucking up protest routes was a problem for them.

Fun stuff.

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I always figured chapo got banned to seem centrist while banning thedonald

[–] ElGosso@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago

Other way around

[–] emizeko@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago
[–] Fuckass@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

There used to be an account on Reddit called Joe Biden. It was created long before he ever announced his presidency, and the only post it made was to CTH. Then in 2020 the user was kicked out the account

[–] Egon@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

👁️

The hexbears equivalent is that dude that posted the 9/11 footage

[–] SootyChimney@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's clear Jessica Ashooh has connections with powerful people and obviously works with/for government agencies, but the assertion she's directly a CIA plant is hard to prove. It doesn't really matter, it's clearly shady and fucked, so it seems a silly assertion to make.

[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

As this internal CIA document made publically available by FOIA shows, The Atlantic Council, is a CIA front.

Is the URL correct? Nothing is coming up for me.

[–] motherfucker@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

@Civility@hexbear.net any recollection of this?

[–] Civility@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Huh.

It looks like the document was taken down.

When I originally made the post it linked to this pdf.

According to archive.org, by April 2021, less than 5 months later, the link started redirecting.

Here's what I wrote about it in the original post:

This is the internal CIA document that shows the Atlantic Council is a front for US intelligence agencies. It's a 13/1/1984 memo to William Casey, then Director of the CIA from his staff giving him background on an off the record briefing scheduled that day with fellows of the Atlantic council. The memo details which fellows of the Atlantic Council are controlled by which US intelligence agencies, they're not all CIA, some are agents of the Department of State, Office of the Secretary of Defence, Naval Intelligence, USIA and CRS, so basically spook central. The document outlines that director is to brief the Council fellows on organisational and budgeting changes he's making in the CIA and the Council is going to brief the director on research they've done into cold war policy issues and "interactions" they've had with "distinguished individuals" in the Italian government, NATO high command, and various prominent academics the CIA had an interest in. Relevant takeaways: Atlantic Council (where Jessica worked for the past 2 years) is spook central and reports directly to the Director of the CIA.

[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Shoutout to The Far Left Side of r/Place that's visible at the end.

[–] alcoholicorn@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Your link to the PDF about The Atlantic Council gets redirected.

[–] niph@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

All that work just to ban a bunch of LIBs

[–] Phish@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

Wait I thought the Chapos themselves were CIA...

Also lol at:

“Apparently, SexWithDogs was on our list, but DogSex was not.”

“Did you go to DogSex?” Ashooh said.

“Yep.”

“And what’s on it?”

“I mean . . .”

“Are there people having sex with dogs?”

“Oh, yes, very much.” scared

[–] TheGamingLuddite@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

It's irrelevant whether explicit orders are given for these things or not, the result is the same. If a coin gets flipped ten times and it comes up heads all ten times, it's pointless to speculate which times were legitimate and which ones were rigged, the guy benefitting from the coin landing heads is responsible and deserves to get fucked up.

tl;dr they totally did it