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Hey, so I just put this part up first because this is the one I urgently and importantly need answered even tho I wrote that hideous text block first (sorry English isn't my first language ).

1 So the question is I have live booted mint from a USB and everything is working like I can use internet on it , play YouTube video , the sound is working etc . But I'm afraid if I wipe windows and install mint as the main OS and the WiFi stops working I'll be fucked as I don't have a second machine except a phone to even fix it . There is no repair shop near and the ones I have to travel to go to charge very high for services and all the people I know are " just phone people" . Is it guaranteed that everything that works on a live USB will also work as the main OS ? Also is there a chance that updates could break the functionalities like WiFi, sound , rendering etc ? Cause I'm a layman and idk how to go about installing the correct kernal manually or some shit . And if its something like WiFi that got fucked I'll be extra fucked as I don't have a second device and can't even do it manually . Also as I said I can't afford servicing now . Also how do I switch back to windows lol ? I'm just running mint of the USB o don't know how to go back to windows, do I just pull the USB out ? Then what ? What are the steps on BIOS ? Shit I should've probably searched all these up before bit oh well as long as I'm making a post do feel free to answer idk if I should close my lap or not .I read a post on reddit of a guy whose WiFi stopped working after he made it his primary and he said that it worked on live USB . He was running mint too I believe, same as me with no other device .

Do try and reply to 1 (1 is the most important ) , 2 and 3 importantly and 4 you can do or not according to your free time .

2 Also what is the message on mints website talking about having to do something else for newer devices ? I now use an old thinkpad and it isn't an issue but I'm planning to do an upgrade real soon

3 Also how does the process vary with RISC-V architecture ? Is it there yet ? Any laptop to lookout for or is PC the only way ? I was thinking about switching to risc-v when upgrafing if any company manufactures components or laptop which they do fully as Foss . I am open to building a PC for RISC-V if I can buy full open source parts and if the Linux support is good .

4 I was thinking about switching to Linux for a long time cause I'm paranoid as fuck and always thought I should switch to mint as I'm a layman of all layman and recently got enough time to make it . But then I came to know of zorin OS which too seems to appease to begginers and the conseus between mint and zorin online vary a lot so thought I should just ask here as Lemmy seems to be crawling with Linux users . I mainly just want the drivers or hardware or kernal and all to just work perfectly all the time and not break after updates . I have also heard of some people having kernal issues and having to do it manually in which case I'll be fucked as I'm not savy . I mainly want good privacy and security . Zorin seem to have a paid version and I'm afraid devs will cut back on other version to promote that more and I have no plan to buy premium as i'm just getting into Linux and don't wanna make a big commitment maybe if I used it and settle on it I'll buy to support devs . Also mint is more popular and here to stay kinda shit right ? I don't care much about looking like windows or running window compatible apps and games I'll be just happy with the OS I'm choosing running all Linux shit . Also which appstore is better ? I heard mints software repo holds closed and outdated apps and don't have much idea about Zorin's . fdroid is one of the reason I grew to love android a place for all the good apps with no blobs and have everything I could ever need from galleries to browser . I would also like a that kinda app store supported distro with similar focus and policies on keeping apk updated , and building without proprietary blobs (like fennec ) and only foss .etc .

Sorry for the block of words , mistake grammer etc . English isn't my first language.

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[–] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 15 points 8 months ago

Honestly, dude.

With all the time and effort in writing this ling post, you could've installed Linux. For Linux Mint (and probably Zorin OS), everything you see on the live boot (except the OS installer) should be there on the installed system as well.

If you encountered some issue that renders your system inoperable due to that Linux installation, you can simply use the live boot, which you said works well.

[–] thayer@lemmy.ca 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

You've already received a ton of feedback, so I just to mention that if you ever find yourself without working WiFi, you can connect your cell phone to the computer and enable USB Tethering on the phone (Android and iOS). The computer will automatically detect this as a network connection, and use it, without the need for additional software. This works for Windows and Linux (and possibly macOS, I don't know).

[–] DeaDvey@lemmy.ml 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

If you have another spare USB stick you can put a Windows iso onto it (I assume you know how to do this if you have a Linux Mint usb) and so if your WiFi stops working then you can boot off of that, however, I have never had any WiFi issues on Linux personally so I don't think it's a huge issue, that's just me though. Linux Mint and Zorin OS are both pretty similar for beginners other than the look of them, so I'd just go with whichever you prefer the look of. I can't really say much about the app stores though.

[–] The_Dark_Knight@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 8 months ago (4 children)

I actually don't know how to make a windows USB lol . I did mints with a help of a YouTube channel and reading a fuckton of docs, guides, discussion . I also don't have another USB but I could by a cheap one .

[–] DeaDvey@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Making a Windows USB should be a very similar process to making a Linux Mint one, download to ISO and flash it onto a USB stick using whatever program (I recommend https://etcher.balena.io/) and if you can get another USB stick that could be pretty good or you can always flash Windows onto your Linux Mint USB once you've installed Linux Mint. Side Note: You can also Dual Boot Linux and Windows fairly easily so you can use both OSs on the same machine.

[–] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 3 points 8 months ago
  1. rufus is way better on windows with "debloat windows" options
  2. Keep in mind windows doesnt ship many drivers in their ISO. So use their shitty media creation tool and hope this will add the needed drivers automatically, at least when creating the media on the same machine

Otherwise, ChrisTitus' "WinUtil" has "microWin" integrated. A utility that can convert that Windows ISO to a more minimal variant and also allows to include drivers.

[–] The_Dark_Knight@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Hey as long as you seem to be here can I ask if it is safe to close my lap ? I never learned how to switch back to windows lol . I should've probably learned that and now I'm stuck on mint . Is just yanking the USB out gonna solve it ? And then what to do in the BIOS ? The same step as booting into mint ? Any variation ?

[–] DeaDvey@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Taking out the USB should let you boot into Windows without any BIOS configuration as Linux Mint isn't installed. When you install an Operating System, it gets put onto your internal storage from the USB, but if it hasn't been installed yet from the USB it shouldn't ever touch your Windows Install. In BIOS you can change the order that different devices boot if they are present. eg: USB drive then Hard Drive then SSD then DVD. So if you unplug the USB Drive then it should go onto the next device, the one Windows is installed on so that should boot. Unplugging the USB should be totally safe but turn the computer off first, I can answer your questions, I'm happy to help.

[–] The_Dark_Knight@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Thanx a lot my guy or gal or whoever you are .

[–] DeaDvey@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago
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[–] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

I installed mint and zorin on virtual machines (theyre easy to set up in windows with virtualbox) and then just put them fullscreen and used em like my actual computer for a bit. Very useful for learning stuff without the commitment of a proper install.

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 3 points 8 months ago (18 children)

Just gonna jump in and say that those are conflicting goals. „Just work“ means stick to big tech or pay someone to make it work. Nobody else has a motivation to make it work for you.

If you want to know what works best I say for laypeople its something ubuntu based like mint, ubuntu, pop_os.

You can absolutely go nuts with security and privacy but you will have to learn tons of shot before you‘re able to get this to work so dont bother for now.

Good luck though. :)

[–] Deckweiss@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

ZorinOS actually has an option where you pay them 50$ and get a special iso which is supposed to just work.

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 2 points 8 months ago

Thats pretty cool! Thanks for mentioning it.

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[–] biscuitswalrus@aussie.zone 3 points 8 months ago

After installing mint, and you find a problem, just live boot mint again.

You can do a lot in live boot including mount your permanent copy even the kernel. Whatever is missing you can download put onto the installed hdd or usb storage, and then install.

Ask me how I know. Lol.

[–] HubertManne@kbin.social 2 points 8 months ago

I don't know of an easier or more beginner friendly distro than zorin.

[–] arthur@lemmy.zip 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Man, you will have some pain as any change will cause. But I think you will like it. Have a second USB to be safe.

[–] The_Dark_Knight@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I should probably have a second USB

[–] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 1 points 8 months ago

Like, in general :D

[–] _edge@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Nothing in live week ever be 100% guaranteed to work forever. You'll be fine, mostly.

  1. Yes, Live Linux system and regular install are practically identical. It's the same software. Everything should work. There's reason to assume Wifi will suddenly break. (Actually, Live systems differ a lot from a traditional install, but you can assume that what worked on the live system will work later. It is the same software after all. Same kernel including all drivers.)

  2. Keep this USB you have just booted from. This is the tool to recover if things should go south.

  3. You can keep Windows, usually, when installing Linux. The process requires "shrinking the Windows partition" and a boot loader that can handle both. Pretty standard; the installer should guide you.

  4. You can totally use a phone to google how to fix your Linux.

Have fun with Linux Mint. It's the Just works Linux.

[–] The_Dark_Knight@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 8 months ago

I read a post on reddit of a guy whose WiFi stopped working after he made it his primary and he said that it worked on live USB . He was running mint too believe that's where I got the idea that this could be an issue . Also I know you can google how to fix it but most guides on how to fix something usually requires a PC .

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.de 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Regarding Zorin OS or Mint. Which one do you like to look at the most? Have you watched reviews of them?

Zorin as well as Mint are a derivate of Ubuntu so it really comes down to look and feel. And in that case test them both out via Live Session from USB stick.

Oh and btw you can install and dual boot Linux next to Windows. That way you don't have to kill your windows installation. The Setup Process should guide you through the necessary steps.

Regarding RISC-V Vs x64 does it really matter what architecture your PC is running?

[–] The_Dark_Knight@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (7 children)

Regarding RISC-V Vs x64 does it really matter what architecture your PC is running?

Idk I thought if some company is making open source cpu's and works, I should support it as its more private and is more sure to not have backdoors .

Regarding Zorin OS or Mint. Which one do you like to look at the most? Have you watched reviews of them?

I'm actually running Mint of a live USB right now . I haven't watched any review of zorin OS yet but if UI is all that changes I guess I'll stay with mint .

[–] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

For the meantime when buying a new machine look at Novacustom (EU) or System76 or Starlabs (US). They support and ship coreboot on some devices, but on very powerful machines.

[–] The_Dark_Knight@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yes I was looking at System76 the prices are a bit high for me even with the specs lowered but maybe I'll treat meself .

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[–] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 1 points 8 months ago
  1. I dont think switching not officially supported desktops on Ubuntu base is easy. You need to uninstall the packages, remove the repos, add the new repos, install the new packages and hope you got all the configs. On Fedora Atomic desktops for example this is waaaay easier.
  2. Dualbooting with Windows works but causes many common problems. I always recommend at least using a separate SSD, to avoid having GRUB being overwritten by some janky "security cleanup" during "windows update"
[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 months ago

Ubuntu LTS is likely the easiest to live with for a layperson. It's got the stability, support and it's got the biggest body of information for how to do things and solve problems as well as the most users using it who can help. Ubuntu LTS derivatives would inherit a lot of that but not all. The changes made to turn Ubuntu into Kubuntu for example invalidate any info for Ubuntu related to GNOME. And so on.

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