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[–] WtfEvenIsExistence@reddthat.com 130 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The enshittification continues until profits increase!

(Btw I still haven't seen those yet. In USA and I'm using uBlock Origin on Firefox)

[–] edoorklep@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Got it in the Netherlands a few days ago. With ublock origin on Firefox. So I switched to freetube with the subscriptions I actually watch.

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[–] Draghetta@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Browser and plugins don’t matter, this is being rolled out in waves. People are getting this on all browsers, with or without ad blockers

[–] WtfEvenIsExistence@reddthat.com 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So this is how the internet dies? With ads, paywalls, and DRMs?

🥲

[–] N4CHEM@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It doesn't have to be. This could be how YouTube dies.

Websites are nothing without users. We have the power to stop using websites that pull this shit and promote new websites that don't.

[–] WtfEvenIsExistence@reddthat.com 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Reddit = Text based platform. Text: 1 Character = 1 Byte

Youtube = Video based platform. Videos: [Error, Not Enough Storage]

🥲

Edit: Also, bandwidth.

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[–] amio@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Cynically, it won't kill youtube, either. There are no alternatives. They have a lot of leverage to shittify it.

[–] yata@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And a lot of users who just doesn't care enough to do anything drastic about it. We already saw it with reddit, and twitter to a point. The userbase on the internet is so huge now that the people actually being aware and caring about privacy and non-commercialisation are a tiny minority. Companies can easily still make a profit on the vast majority of people who will uncritically consume.

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[–] jungekatz@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Same , but not in the USA , I havent seen them yet

[–] aeternum@kbin.social 106 points 1 year ago (1 children)

i'd rather not use youtube than watch ads.

[–] eek2121@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Thankfully that isn’t a choice you have to make, and thanks to open source, you will ever need to make.

The only trick Google has up their sleeve is their web integrity work. Even then, there will be workarounds.

[–] Thorny_Thicket@sopuli.xyz 63 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I'm not sure if this works anymore but I saved this message a while back. If you get this pop-up then put this into your adblock custom rules and it should sort it out:

youtube.com##+js(set, yt.config_.openPopupConfig.supportedPopups.adBlockMessageViewModel, false)

youtube.com##+js(set, Object.prototype.adBlocksFound, 0)

youtube.com##+js(set, ytplayer.config.args.raw_player_response.adPlacements, [])

youtube.com##+js(set, Object.prototype.hasAllowedInstreamAd, true)

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[–] Konlanx@feddit.de 42 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I have been adblocking on YouTube for as long as I remember. Personally I think it's unusable without an adblocker. What's the alternative? Because I am not suddenly going to pay for a platform that keeps getting worse all the time.

[–] Thorny_Thicket@sopuli.xyz 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

When ever I see someone using YouTube without an adblocker it looks like some cheap chinese knock-off or something. As someone who sees less ads than 99% of people I've genuinely became a bit oversensitive to them. Podcasts are the only thing I keep paying attention to despite them having ads which even then I always skip over. Other than that every online platform I use is ad-free and I don't watch TV or listen to radio either.

[–] Konlanx@feddit.de 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I like to listen to podcasts in the gym and I will interrupt my set to skip sponsors and ads. The enshittification on Spotify is particularly bad as they now play ads in addition to sponsorings for premium listeners.

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[–] dept@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 1 year ago

bilibili, an actual chinese knockoff has less ads

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[–] Synthead@lemmy.ml 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

This message is displayed in the browser because Google asked your browser to do it, and your browser got the message and put it there.

When displaying ads, the end user experience is 100% client-side. You are using your screen and speakers to observe it. You can turn off your speakers and screen if you want, which will effectively "block" the ad.

But that is silly. Not only do you own your screen and speakers, but you have control of what you're browser is doing, too (if you use a respectable browser). When HTML, CSS, JavaScript, and other content is downloaded, just that happened: file downloads. After it has been downloaded, your browser then consumes it.

When it is consumed, a lot happens, but ultimately, the code in the browser displays content. Your (respectable) browser does all of this, and will change the look depending on local fonts, accessibility options, etc. With an ad block add-on, it will also remove these ads.

However, when ads are removed, the DOM is mutated with deleted or replaced content. It is possible for a website to then write ad block detection scripts to see if the ad contents have been removed or not. There are many ways to do this, and this screenshot is the result of one way of doing it.

However, enter the cat-and-mouse-chase of ad block block blocks. You can block your ads, then block the ad block block like this screenshot. These types of ad block rules are less common, but many public ones are available. Check the uBlock Origin lists in the setting page. By default, only about a third of the lists are enabled, and these extra blocks are in there.

Another avenue of determining that ads were not loaded is for the server to inspect if client-side (you) requests were made to fetch the ads. Even if this is in place, the server cannot determine if you have actually watched the ad or not. It could try to do more client-side attempts at validating that you somehow displayed it, but again, that's client-side.

Imagine if you were sent a letter and a pamphlet in the mail. Imagine if the letter said that you could mail them back for a free sample of their product, but only if you read the pamphlet. They would have to trust that you read it, because you are reading your mail in the privacy of your own home. However, you could opt to toss the pamphlet (like an ad blocker) and never read it. It's your mail, your home, and your choice.

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[–] Kuro@lemm.ee 31 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It will be yet another endless cat and mouse game

There are smart people out there that will always find ways around this

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[–] jws_shadotak@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Is "allowlist" the new word for whitelist?

[–] TheEntity@kbin.social 20 points 1 year ago

Not really new, it's been around for about a decade. Otherwise: yes.

[–] xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Some people mistakenly think that the “black” in “blacklist” is a reference to skin color, so they demand it to be changed.

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[–] Dmian@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don’t need no stinky ad blocker! With a custom user stylesheet is enough.., that is, if you’re using something other than Chrome, because Chrome removed user stylesheets for “reasons”.

Reasons of adware

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[–] Charliebeans@slrpnk.net 16 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Seems like it's controlled test in different countries and segments. I (Europe) get this popup in Firefox, I also use pi-hole DNS and ublock origin.

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[–] hunt4peas@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Which adblocker are you using? I am using Ublock Origins, Sponsorblock, RYD and Enhancer for YouTube. I will check later if I get the same message or not.

[–] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago

I'll fucking use Vimeo if I have to.

Id rather die than to use the internet without protective services.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

As long as we have the physical capability of pointing a camera at a display, people will control what they see. Worst case scenario in these browser wars, you run Chrome on a Google certified device then stream the output of that device to the computer you're actually using, using various filters and vision recognition removing the advertisement from your video stream.

This is extreme, it's a little crazy, but I think everyone can agree it's technically feasible. This means we will always have the edge in the browser wars. If we control the display, we control the flow.

Everything else is just an optimization

[–] penguin@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It's fundamentally impossible to grant read access without copy. And you can always do whatever you want to your copy.

Otherwise, piracy wouldn't be a thing.

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[–] ultratiem@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

I ain’t doing all that for a video. Better option would be to ditch YT or get governments and regulators to step in and put a stop to this predator nonsense.

Sorry tech companies, you have no right to control such things. I’ll be damned if a company can tell me what application I can and cannot use. Let alone what browser I can ingest the internet with.

This is no different than the browser wars of 2000.

[–] Arghblarg@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

What country are you in? I wonder if they're rolling it out to smaller markets to see how much backlash they get.

Time to get a federated video hosting service scaled up ASAP. But who could afford the bandwidth and storage? We need a stable torrent-based streaming solution I suppose.

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[–] Anti_Weeb_Penguin@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I never got this pop up (i use Firefox + Ublock)

[–] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's not fully rolled out yet.

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[–] AsRedAsMonkeysAss@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] mbi@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Is this real? The post title seems to imply it's something that might happen in the future?

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[–] TCB13@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Have you notice that lately if you're the history feature disabled it will refuse to show suggested videos? In the past you would still get suggested videos even with the view history disabled.

[–] venoft@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Same with google maps. With no 'web and search history' enabled the local searches I did on my local device won't be remembered. So every time you'd need to fill in the entire address. That's just bullying you into accepting their tracking.

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