You put Into Darkness above '09? Madness.
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My perspective is that at least Into Darkness has a message? Kind of? '09 felt like Star Trek: Mountain Dew. Don't get me wrong though I don't feel either is worth defending and I put one second total into deciding the Kelvinverse order.
Beyond and 09 weren’t good, but I think Into Darkness was quite significantly worse. It was probably the single least creative movie I’ve ever seen, though I guess some other Abrams movies come close.
I will not die on this hill. If you say it's worse I believe you because I'll never watch any of them again.
@Corgana @bababooey
I watched the first JJ Star Trek movie. It was basically one long Kirk brawl and then they made him captain. It was pathetic.
Can we all agree to refer to 09 as Star Trek: Mountain Dew, from now on?
I love the film, but it's a fair nickname.
Generations above First Contact is a hot take, too
I have a soft spot for it. It's weird in a good way! No shade at First Contact tho.
Generations gave us Data's lifeforms song, which is certainly a positive in my book.
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It's got Kirk and Picard, which is a movie that should exist even if the execution wasn't ideal.
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\1. Star Trek VI
Very tight film. Christopher Plummer is excellent.
\2. Star Trek II / III / IV (as a complete Trilogy)
Can't separate these just like the LoTR films, anyways you got KHAN, the sacrifice of the Enterprise and Double Dumbass on you. Excellent trilogy.. (Note: Khan/Voyage/Search is the order of likeness)
\3. First Contact
It's the borg, gotta give it up for the Borg 👏
\4. Galaxy Quest
Never give up, never surrender!
\5. Star Trek TMP
Fuck you I LIKE Enterprise beauty shots set to Jerry Goldsmith music. With that said I like the story and character arcs of Kirk and Spock.
\6. Generations
It's OK. The rest of the DS9 uniform replacements won't arrive til Tuesday
\7. Star Trek V
Underrated. Has its moments. I think Sybok gives an excellent performance otherwise forgettable movie
\8. Star Trek Kelvin I
It's OK. Karl.Urban nails Bones.
Didn't see the others. I haven't been sold on seeing Insurrection and Nemesis ever despite easily able to and apparently I should give Beyond (Kelvin III) a chance.
Edit: so the numbers all got changed to 1 when posted and using ol reliable backslash to fix it did but left the slashes? I give up.
I can't tell you how much I love that you listed Galaxy Quest as a Star Trek movie.
It ranked pretty highly as a write-in candidate at a con once.
I need to retract my answer for my failure to include Galaxy Quest.
and Double Dumbass on you
Ha I forgot about that part. Makes sense to view those movies as a trilogy, too.
One damn minute, admiral!
I love this discussion.
Star Trek VI is precious to me for reasons of special memories seeing it with my father. So I know I watch it with rose colored glasses.
It's neat to see some validation that it's actually really good film.
It's a good story on it's surface, but somehow also packs in a really good metaphor for the end of the Cold War, AND a metaphor about Star Trek as a franchise. Simply the best.
Just watched it again last week. It's just a very well done movie all around.
@GreenMario@lemm.ee, I seem to have discovered that you are my Star Trek preference twin.
Although, I would personally put Star Trek (2009) a bit ahead of V The Final Frontier, our teens profoundly negative reaction to it would make put it at the back or at best tied. There has been utter refusal from them to even attempt to watch Into Darkness and Beyond. Stuck watching them on my own, Beyond is a head shaker that spends all its time distracting from what could have been a good story with utter silliness like a motorcycle found randomly on a ship.
Into Darkness is in its own way as much a complete head scratcher as The Final Frontier, but with A list casting and more appalling results. In both cases, you can see the traces and structure of what might have been an interesting movie if only a massive train derailment hadn’t beset production somewhere and somehow.
I did however see Insurrection at first release as a family outing with the in-laws. It was fine, and worth a watch at home. In fact, its main issue is that it felt like it should be a made for cable movie rather than a cinematic release. There so much more awful stuff out there by comparison. Nemesis for a Trek example. By half way through I was was wanting to get back the ridiculously self indulgent Picard dune buggy opening sequence.
My final ranking.
1./ VI - The Undiscovered Country
2./ II, III, IV the complete trilogy
3./ First Contact
4./ I - The Motion Picture (I enjoy it more as I age and it’s remastered.)
5./ Galaxy Quest
6./ Insurrection
7./ Generations (It happened.)
8./ TIE V - The Final Frontier & Star Trek (2009)
9./ TIE Nemesis & Beyond
10./ Into Darkness
EDIT: Apparently everyone on this website is insane
Have you considered the possibility that ya basic?
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Is that chidy 🤣
EDIT: Apparently everyone on this website is insane
The inmates are running the asylum
To be clear, I do not excuse myself from the descriptor.
Genuinely good films: 4,6,2,8
Ok but flawed films: 1,3,9,5,7
Derivative and unnecessary, but sometimes charming films: 11,13
Very few redeeming qualities and should never have been made: 10,12
@Corgana The Wrath of Khan
The Voyage Home
The Undiscovered Country
The Search for Spock
First Contact
The Motion Picture (With Marijuana)
Generations
The Motion Picture (Without Marijuana)
The Final Frontier
Insurrection
Nemesis
...
The Kelvin Films
- Wrath of Khan
- Search for Spock
- Voyage Home
- Undiscovered Country
- Star Trek (2009)
- First Contact
- Generations
- Into Darkness
- Beyond
- Motion Picture
- Insurrection
- Nemesis
- Final Frontier
2009 Trek higher than First Contact??? This is heresy of the highest order!!!
The final frontier was bad. It was really bad. It had so much random stuff going on and had very little explanations about anything. They should have narrowed their focus a lot.
Y'know I watched it recently and I was prepared for the worst, but it's really not that bad. The plot is silly but there are some good character moments. It felt like TOS.
- Star Trek VI - The Undiscovered Country - Wild card, I watched this with my dad, so it's my overall favorite for personal reasons. I'll defer to others on whether it really belongs at #1.
- First Contact - Viola Davis is a national treasure and her performance elevates this film.
- Voyage Home - The OG cast performing in peak conditions.
- Wrath of Khan - It's ricidulous to put this masterpiece this low on my list. I'm sorry, and I will rethink my life.
- Generations - Has a little is everything. I probably rank it higher because it is a celebration of Trek history. But that said, for the number of cast and cameos, this is a surprisingly great movie.
- 09 Yes, it's a popcorn blockbuster, but Chris Helmsworth's opening scene is a masterful performance, and plenty of solid Star Trek follows. Zoe Saldana is a national treasure and elevates this movie. Leonard Nimoy delivers another fantastic performance.
- Beyond - The Yorktown is one of the coolest things I've seen in scifi, and the movie is solid.
- Nemesis - An important chapter in Brent Spiner's decades long perfected Pinochio story.
- Into darkness - Zoe Saldana is a national treasure and is unfortunately not in the remaining films in my list. I'm saying this tongue-in-cheek since plenty of Trek actors deserve highlighted here.
After this point, I really like the remaining films, but not enough to have strong feelings to rank them.
10-12) Search, Insurrection, Final Frontier
...
- The Motion Picture - Still a pretty great film, but the pacing issues prevent me from rewatching it often.
- Wrath of Khan
- First Contact
- Insurrection
- Voyage Home
- Nemesis
- The Undiscovered Country
- Generations
- Search for Spock
- Motion Picture
- Final frontier
I enjoyed the Kelvin films pretty equally. In wouldn't have started watching Trek if it were not for 09. But I do see them as a separate thing.
Big fan of Insurrection getting some respect! I love it for being the big budget, high production mashup of TNG that it clearly is, even though it also doubles down on the Picard-as-Action-Hero trend that ends up ruining Nemesis (IMO).
Insurrection is not among my faves but for me it's exactly what a Star Trek movie should be: a two parter episode with better budget.
Nemesis above Undiscovered Country? That’s a shock!
I agree, it is a most illogical choice.
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All of them? Okay:
- First Contact
- IV
- VI
- I
- II
- Generations
- Insurrection
- Search for Spock
- Nemesis
- Final Frontier
But in reality, All Good Things should have been a Trek film with a higher budget, because that would have been the best of the films by far.
I don't like the Kelvinverse films either but I guess I like the first one the most, the other two are so dumb it makes my brain hurt.
I'm totally with you ... especially on the "All Good Things" take ... Q is as iconic to TNG as the Borg and it's a shame he didn't make it into a film.
Interestingly, I'm thinking ... how much could they have just swapped the stories of Generations and All Good Things? Seems oddly feasible, with the whole Kirk thing being the most awkward component to handle.
Otherwise ... my only change would be to put Generations further up on the list ... I'm partial to it ... maybe it's just the look/cinematography of it?
All Good Things is my favorite Trek episode of all time, next to Yesterdays Enterprise which actually also could have been a great movie :P
Yeah Generations could have just been a decent finale for TNG with All Good Things being the big breakout film, I think that would have worked far better.
Generations is a good movie IMO, I just think it's weaker than a lot of the OG Trek films personally.
- Voyage Home (the comedy and the whales)
- Galaxy Quest (perfect but needs to be 2. because it builds on Trek)
- Wrath of Khan (ear bugs)
- Star Trek - Kelvin (loved the restart with slight differences - enjoyed every nod and subversion)
Here’s my full list:
- Undiscovered Country
- Wrath of Khan
- Voyage Home
- First Contact
- Search for Spock
- Motion Picture
- Generations
- Beyond
- 2009
- Final Frontier
- Insurrection
- Nemesis
- Into Darkness
- "Beyond"
- "The Voyage Home"
- "Undiscovered Country"
- "Search for Spock"
- "Wrath of Khan"
- "TMP"
- "The Final Frontier"
- "Insurrection"
- "First Contact"
- "Generations"
- "Nemesis"
- "ST09"
- "Into Darkness"
Beyond
Gotta ask why this is #1
Because it’s the one I enjoy the most.
That's a pretty good reason. You like the plot, the casting, the production..?
I think the Kelvin-universe cast is largely pretty good. Zoe Saldana has never struck me as a great fit for Uhura, but I like everyone else, and I think Karl Urban is great. I also like that all the characters get something to do in the movie. The interactions between Spock and Bones, and Scotty and Jaylah are definite highlights for me.
Speaking of, Sofia Boutella's Jaylah character is a lot of fun, and if they actually ever get a fourth one off the ground -- not holding my breath -- I do hope they're able to work the character in.
It's hard to go wrong with Idris Elba in anything, but I do think he was wasted as Krall, who is not particularly compelling, and that's probably the film's biggest failing. But then, I don't think many Trek movie villains are all the compelling. The most relatable threat in all thirteen movies was the giant space probe that just wanted to talk to some whales. 'Cause, y'know...same. After that it's probably General Chang, and then, despite my low regard for the movie overall, Nero.
The set pieces are great. Obviously it's silly, but the opening scene where Kirk gets attacked by the Teenaxi is a lot of fun. The scene where Krall's drones are tearing up the Enterprise is riveting. I love Kirk on the motorcycle during the rescue beam-out scene. And the final fight between Kirk and Krall is really well done, even if the actual threat is kinda lacklustre.
I love the design work. Yorktown station looks great. The Franklin might be my favourite starship design across the franchise. I really like the new uniforms that don't have the textured delta pattern of the previous two films, as well as the Franklin uniform that Spock ends up wearing. I don't love the phasers with their rotating emitter, but other than that aspect they look good.
I recognize that it's pretty much a dumb action movie, but it is, in my opinion, a very watchable dumb action movie. That's really all it's trying to be, which I respect. Am I going to argue that it's technically he best executed movie of the bunch? Of course not! But is it my personal favourite? Yeah. Except for when my mood changes and "The Voyage Home" is my favourite.
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