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[–] Smk@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's very interesting to have the view of a women that has transitioned to a men on the feeling side of things. I wonder how the transition is actually affecting his current relationship.

My experience as a man does look like what he talks about however, it's not as crazy as he is saying. His depiction of manhood feels almost satire to me. Almost all of my interaction with men, I feel safe enough to talk about my problems, my feelings and my opinions on things, both personal or not.

Although, I am me and I do not represent all other men, It's not untrue that men are lead to believe that they must be the one to shut up and provide for their community/family. Shut up and die for your family, you country. Shut up and do what you have to do. If you really do that, I think you just end up lonely, sad and probably really suicidal.

[–] GrayBackgroundMusic@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago

it's not as crazy as he is saying. His depiction of manhood feels almost satire to me. Almost all of my interaction with men, I feel safe enough to talk about my problems, my feelings and my opinions on things, both personal or not.

It's spot on for me. 9/10 times I open up to other men, it's either diminished, insulted, or ignored. I count 4 friends who've actually listened to me. 1 ghosted me some time later. 1 listened rarely, only after I listened to him for hours. The other 2 are true chads and I wish life hadn't separated us.

When I open up to women, it's either insulted or saved and later used against me as manipulation.

I just don't anymore. Only people I talk to are therapists.

[–] Nelots@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The comments at the bottom of the article though... I really hate people sometimes.

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[–] HappyMeatbag@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I’m a white, cis, heterosexual American male. I’m supposed to be privileged in every way, feel endlessly guilty over things I cannot control and try not to perpetuate, and never, ever dare suggest any kind of dissatisfaction with my situation.

I wouldn’t know how to express my feelings the way the author has. I’d feel like a misogynistic neckbeard, callous racist, or ungrateful whiner. If, somehow, I didn’t feel these things, someone would quickly, loudly, and condescendingly remind me that I should. They’d then be applauded for putting me in my place.

I can’t thank the author enough for writing this article.

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[–] Deca@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wonder if this is one of the reasons why MTF vastly outnumber FTM transitions

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[–] Rodeo@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Am I only the only one who thinks comes off like "men arent like women, and therefore broken"?

Not having to spend an hour discussing my feelings is actually one of the things I like about my friendships. I don't want long deep hugs, they make me uncomfortable. And I definitely don't want someone opening up to me about their life struggles. That's not the kind of friendship I like or want.

I guess that makes me broken!

[–] HappyMeatbag@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not quite. To me, it’s more like “men don’t even have the option of building relationships like women do, and that’s not healthy. Society is broken.”

[–] Rodeo@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But they didn't say that. They flat out said "men are broken".

[–] Sharkwellington@lemmy.one 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You seem to have stopped reading once you got through the headline and missed the entire article written afterwards.

[–] Rodeo@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 year ago

Surely you have something more constructive to say than a sneering quip?

[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean it does because those things only make you uncomfortable because you've been conditioned your entire life to feel that way just because you're a man.

Those things are basic human companionship.

[–] Rodeo@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 year ago

So not only am I somehow fundamentallly broken, I've also been duped by society and I'm too stupid to even realize it?

You couldn't be any more insulting if you tried.

[–] Wanderer@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

100% mate.

All my best friendships have been 99% ripping into each other and telling funny stories. Like I don't tell shitty stories about work because I lived it once and I don't want to live it again. No one else does either. Unless it's to vent about someone because I'm angry. But I do tell funny stories about work.

Having said that even in the most masculine environments when anyone has had an issue or been pushed too fair the guys always rally and pick them back up.

Day to day shit is your own problem. The once in a month or few months is our problem and I'm here for you.

You boss was mean to you. You want to bounce other careers around or see if I can find someone to hire you? No, well grow up everyone's boss is shit. Either leave or deal with it.

Your misses just cheated on you. Right come on I'll get the guys and we'll go to the pub, she's a cunt you're better off without her.

Also hand shakes are fucking great. I usually go for a shake and a quick hug. But the handshake is better.

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[–] Phen@lemmy.eco.br 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I still get sad at the surprise women have when I move before they do

Is this actually a thing? I've always moved away from everyone's path and never noticed anyone feeling surprised by that. And from every man I've ever walked with, I can only remember one who I noticed didn't make room for other people.

[–] threadloose@midwest.social 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Oh, it's totally a thing. I'm a woman and short, so I'm below the eye line of most men, and I've had men plow right over me on crowded sidewalks or at events. Most men expect the woman to yield in that situation and they'll get annoyed if you don't. It actually is surprising when a man moves out of the way, though I don't know if it shows on my face.

Your two reasons, being below the eye line and being a woman are incongruent. If you're below the eye line and they don't notice you, then how are they expecting you to yield?

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[–] Ironfist@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

well, women also get more attention therefor they are less lonely. Just look at dating apps: women get flooded with likes and messages, but men... good luck getting a like and if you get one, good luck getting a conversation where you are not the only one putting some effort.

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[–] Tb0n3@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (15 children)

Men are also different from women. Not just physically but mentally. Part of the problem the writer had was not understanding how male friendships work and expecting a mirror of female friendships. Certainly it can be lonelier as a man but in some ways it's just the way we are.

You ain't never had a friend.

[–] PeepinGoodArgs@reddthat.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

in some ways it's just the way we are.

Is it? What makes you think that our loneliness is inherent to us? How is it inherent to us?

[–] Tb0n3@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm just saying that men in general have a much easier time being alone. I don't think we should always be alone, but more men than women have the ability to be solitary and happy at the same time.

[–] girlfreddy@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What if being solitary and happy has zero foundation in being a "man" but comes about from being rejected by society as the man one is?

[–] Tb0n3@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You do realize half of society is men right?

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[–] fckreddit@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Bro, I would do anything for long, deep hugs. I am unlucky enough to never have been hugged by anyone.

[–] Osirus@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

How is that even possible.

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