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The entire article is very good and gives a solid reasoning (for baby leftists, not anyone here) of why we need to support Cuba. It also highlights the weakness of both the DSA and the DSA IC from within that allowed this to happen + the steps they need to take. Give it a read. (The more I read stuff like this plus the history of real movements I realize why things like DemCent and other hardline ML things are needed but that's not a discussion for here).

I'm highlighting just the parts relevant to the title.


Multiple delegates chose to skip out on parts of the programming, including declining to meet with the president of Cuba, who held a frank conversation with the delegates who did attend for more than two hours.

Throughout the trip, members of the delegation from the Reform & Revolution Caucus (R&R) and the Socialist Majority Caucus (SMC) criticized the Cuban government both to our Cuban hosts and other DSA members, and skipped out on multiple delegation events. Most shamefully, both Maria (representing R&R) and Renée (representing SMC, and a member of the current NPC) skipped out on meeting with President Díaz-Canel, who spent more than 2 hours in a frank discussion specifically addressing the critiques these very same DSA members brought up to their Cuban hosts earlier on the trip. This means that the Cuban hosts were listening thoughtfully to the critiques and relayed them back to the President. That our Cuban comrades would care this deeply and thoroughly about our critiques is a sign that they honor us as equals and truly want to make ties with U.S. socialists, as relatively powerless as we are.

Maria in particular met with anti-government opposition groups while on delegation, which when taken together with the fact of her skipping the meeting with the comrade President suggests a goal of undermining the Cuban socialist state, not defending it against U.S. imperialism. Furthermore, R&R declined to follow what few guidelines the International Committee offered around discussion of the trip after returning. Delegates were instructed to keep news of the conversation with President Díaz-Canel private until an official reportback; R&R decided instead to discuss this at their caucus panel, pre-empting the official reportback.

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[–] D61@hexbear.net 65 points 7 months ago

Maria in particular met with anti-government opposition groups...

Imagine going all the way to Cuba just to talk to the CIA... smdh

[–] DEAD_YUCKY@hexbear.net 59 points 7 months ago (2 children)

MAYBE THE THIRD WORLDIST HAVE A POINT

[–] DefinitelyNotAPhone@hexbear.net 32 points 7 months ago

To all those people screaming "Read Settlers!" at me: you may have had a point.

[–] MaxOS@hexbear.net 58 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Why do these anarcho-bidenists get to go to Cuba and not me.

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 50 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It really is amazing that they’re given any time at all. Shit, even the Japanese Communist Party would result in more than this.

[–] CommunistBear@hexbear.net 38 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Honestly this has been a huge push in the "join an org" direction for me. If Cuba is willing to meet with these people there's an actual chance I could too

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 20 points 7 months ago

You'd be surprised where you could go if you work in a communist party.

Folks I know have been sent to every AES state in existence, a few of the axis of resistance countries, and even states not recognized by the U.N because of western fuckery. Not only that but through communist connections you can even pursue free educations in some countries for a few years and be granted financial backing into learning languages while immersed in their countries.

Like honestly if I wasn't tied down with my own life responsibilities I'd use my own connections to try and get some communist degrees and learn the language in the PRC right now.

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[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 58 points 7 months ago (4 children)

skipped out on meeting with President Díaz-Canel, who spent more than 2 hours in a frank discussion specifically addressing the critiques these very same DSA members brought up to their Cuban hosts earlier on the trip.

Admire Canel's patience to put up with the kind of freak that takes the opportunity of going to Cuba to backseat actual socialists. Same energy as the Weather Underground being petitioned by the Viet Minh to build a broad movement and focus on bringing along the masses, but our audacious white saviours know better than that: we must build a perfect party of 14 people instead.

[–] LibsEatPoop@hexbear.net 48 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Raúl Castro managed to find literally the gentlest person in the entirety of Cuba to succeed him.

Or, more likely, after decades of dealing with the US, they know what to expect, even from the “socialists”.

[–] invalidusernamelol@hexbear.net 29 points 7 months ago

Canel was also incredibly popular in the country by virtue of his own actions too. He wasn't just handed power by Raúl, he had to work for it.

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[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 55 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] LibsEatPoop@hexbear.net 56 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I know... If I was part of that delegation, I'd literally die from embarrassment. I could never stop apologizing to my hosts. Like, even if you have criticisms of Cuba (which, as fucking Amerikkkan, how dare you?) the sheer gall of behaving like this to your fucking host like what??? My POC ass could never. Literally behaving worse than children.

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 18 points 7 months ago

Yeah, this screams "I'm a murican so I know better than you savages" lib shit

[–] Fishroot@hexbear.net 55 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Lmao, why bother going to a country that you don’t support at all? You would think that Cuba is one of the litmus tests for leftists aside from palestine which i’m sure they fail on that part too.

The DSA doesn’t even ideologically alligned with global south countries, just go to a EU organized liberal socialist conferences in some nordic petrol-state instead. Or better, go to the Rosa Luxemberg center in Germany.

[–] Omegamint@hexbear.net 32 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yeah the fact that this happened is Cuba is deeply disappointing and embarassing

[–] Fishroot@hexbear.net 24 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

The fact that there are no vetting processes within the organization is embarrassing. funny enough, i don’t see organizations in the global south initiate lecturing western organizations the way they should do organization

[–] hotcouchguy@hexbear.net 20 points 7 months ago

They probably should though. Need a new Comintern to keep us in line.

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[–] CommCat@hexbear.net 53 points 7 months ago (2 children)

What's new? At the height of DSA's popularity during the Sanders campaign, I checked out their website. I read their history, and they celebrated the fall of the Berlin Wall and the collapse of the USSR, thinking that it was their turn to lead lead their version of "democratic socialism" in the former eastern bloc countries. The fall of the USSR ushered in rightwing governments aligned with US imperialism in these countries, but these SocDems will keep aligning themselves with US interests hoping for the collapse of the remaining Socialist countries.

[–] Cummunism@hexbear.net 38 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Stalin, once again, was correct.

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[–] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 51 points 7 months ago (17 children)

I saw someone from Lemmy come in here defending her as their friend and being all "she does more organizing work than you losers"

I was very happy to see them dogpiled immediately

[–] grandepequeno@hexbear.net 29 points 7 months ago

"she does more organizing work than you losers"

That's probably 100% true if it's comparing a DSA member with forum posters but it's beside the point

[–] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 24 points 7 months ago

It was delightful to see people quoting Combat Liberalism lmao

[–] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 19 points 7 months ago (1 children)

wasn't even from lemmy, it was a long time user here lmao

[–] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 16 points 7 months ago

Woke Hexbear tankies eating their own smh

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[–] Self_Sealing_Stem_Bolt@hexbear.net 44 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Imagine turning down the chance of meeting with the president of an AES country and still calling yourself a socialist. Fucking western leftists I swear.

Lemme guess, they're Trots?

[–] Maoo@hexbear.net 42 points 7 months ago (1 children)

For context, the two chauvinists were from a Trot contingent and a socdem contingent. They are behaving exactly as you'd expect them to, they have no idea how to do anything except tell other people what they should really be doing in order to be properly on the left. The SocDem contingent is the one that carried water for Bowman btw.

[–] VILenin@hexbear.net 28 points 7 months ago

Trots and succdems have been lecturing the winners on how to ackshually run countries since 10000BC

[–] TheLastHero@hexbear.net 40 points 7 months ago (2 children)

if you're an Yankee going to latin America, especially a former American colony now under siege like Cuba, you need to sit down and shut up, your settler ass has absolutely no standing to criticize their affairs. And meeting with anti-government "dissidents"? Disgusting. Might as well be freelancing for the CIA. Yankee imperialists show an ounce of fucking humility challenge (impossible)

[–] popcornlung@hexbear.net 22 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Fucking white people shouldn’t hold any positions in an American socialist org, they should have sent a black or indigenous person, they money would be appreciated though.

[–] Fishroot@hexbear.net 20 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Funny how people criticize the USSR of having a red bourgeoisie where the rules don’t apply to them and they have more privileges.

But here we are with sending two people who probably have the means to pay for the trip and to build their clout into the DNC.

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 21 points 7 months ago

Yankee imperialists show an ounce of fucking humility challenge (impossible)

More like show an ounce of financial savvy because if you're going to shill for empire, at least get paid for it lmao

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 40 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I’d love to see them do this dumb shit in Burkina Faso to Ibrahim Traoré. Dude would not be as forgiving as Díaz-Canal has been.

[–] LibsEatPoop@hexbear.net 42 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Dude would not be as forgiving as Díaz-Canal has been.

He met with them for two hours addressing the criticism from the most rabid anti-communists who declined to even attend and instead met with dissidents…I can’t even imagine. If it was me, I’d have them literally jailed, not even kidding (it’s why I should not be a leader, cuz I know it would just worsen relations, but I couldn’t resist.)

God. The sheer fucking entitlement. The…I can’t. I just can’t.

[–] HarryLime@hexbear.net 33 points 7 months ago

What a fucking embarrassment.

[–] GodDamnAmercia@hexbear.net 31 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Embarrassing the DSA should eject Maria at the very least from the organization.

[–] Vncredleader@hexbear.net 25 points 7 months ago (3 children)

calling your faction "reform and revolution" is such a funny way to set yourself up as a failure ahead of time. DSA having no real party line or mechanisms for discipline makes the whole org weaker.

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[–] Redbolshevik2@hexbear.net 25 points 7 months ago (5 children)

This is a result of trying to turn "Leftism" into a social club. None of this matters to any of these strivers.

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[–] ChairmanSpongebob@hexbear.net 20 points 7 months ago

I would have dropped them off a Gitmo, knocked on the gates and told the guards to come take care of their own

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 19 points 7 months ago

DSA gets the wall.

[–] Hello_Kitty_enjoyer@hexbear.net 18 points 7 months ago

dam thats some white ass honkey ass shit don't hold the mayo

[–] SpiderFarmer@hexbear.net 16 points 7 months ago

It always feels like someone hopped in a time-portal when I see them shitting on Cuba. That attitudes was going out of style in the 90s, for Christsakes.

[–] grandepequeno@hexbear.net 15 points 7 months ago (3 children)

To avoid giving anybody the wrong idea (if they only read the title) these were members of 2 DSA caucusus, other DSA members didn't do this

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