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UK hospitality industry hit by crisis as thousands of young Italians are forced out by latest round of rules and cost-of-living crisis

Archived version: https://archive.ph/vk4WG

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[–] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 62 points 7 months ago (3 children)

But the 27-year-old, like thousands of other Italians working in the UK hospitality industry, now feels she has no option but to leave and return to Europe.

Really sums up the big fuckup and why huh UK?

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 39 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Post-Brexit UK is an actual crime scene and it seems like everyone stopped asking, qui bono? Not the UK, and not Europe.

Same perp who wants his American candidate to dismantle NATO, if you ask me. Means, motive, pattern of criminality are all there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_Brexit_referendum#%3A%7E%3Atext%3DRussian_interference_in_the_2016_United_Kingdom_European_Union_membership%2Cof_leaving_the_European_Union

[–] vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 7 months ago

Brexit was a massive, massive win for them. Not as massive as the Trump presidency, but that’s more reflection of Trump.

[–] takeda@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I highly recommend a book by historian Timothy Snyder called Road to Unfreedom. It explains how we got here, what Russia wants to achieve and why.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The crux of it as far as I've gleaned is that their geopolitical theory revolves around being the bigger dog in every deal, so they want to be able to throw their weight around by dismantling blocs of smaller nations and creating a system of bilateral agreements. Is that about what Snyder says is going on?

[–] takeda@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yes, but he goes into more detail about why that is, why Ukraine is so important etc.

Basically when the Soviet Union collapsed, US politicians believed that as long as Russia has a free market, the democracy will flourish.

They couldn't be more wrong, what it became was a klepocracy ruled by oligarchy with putin as the master oligarch. Russia on paper looked like a democracy, it has the institutions, but they are all neutered and despite having "elections", there was never a democracy and free elections in there even in the 90s.

Putin realized that with EU Russia doesn't matter as much, because EU integration makes smaller countries powerful. EU requires countries to have functional democracy before they can join. Putin tried to join, but instead having Russia to adapt and become a democratic country, he demanded that EU would change to accommodate Russia. That of course didn't work.

So he created his own union (Eurasian Economic Union) hoping that it would take over EU. Initially they tried to subverting things politically having their puppet (kind of like they did in Belarus), but Ukrainian people demonstrated as they wanted to be part of EU, so it switched to military action first on 2014 and later in 2022.

We did fucked up a bit not supporting Ukrainian earlier.

There is also a lot of how Russia basically changes its own history ignoring all inconvenient events, how option is following fascist authors that render Russia as the World savor, that is on the side of God.

It is quite fascinating. A lot people think of the war as it started in 2022, some more informed will say it started in 2014, but it was much earlier then that. We just ignored it, we seem to pay attention when people are actually fighting, which is sad as most of how Russia is operating is to subvert via disinformation, destabilization and sabotage.

The war of 2022 got to what it got is because putin trapped himself in it, but underestimating Ukrainians.

I'm still not finish with it and am just in the middle of the book.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Thanks for the writeup! All that gels with my understanding. It makes me think about how we thought letting China into the WTO would have the same effect, and now they're economically propping up Russian savagery in Ukraine and continuing to crack down at home. You just can't invite oppresive regimes to the table and hope for the best, and it's weird that we tried.

[–] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 7 months ago

The best and most accurate commentary ever on Brexit can be found here:

James Acaster's teabag anaolgy

[–] ECB@feddit.de 4 points 7 months ago

I'm not Italian, but I am moving back to the EU in the next few months.

Life isn't perfect anywhere, but (at least for my wife and I) we decided that it's much better for us elsewhere.

Biggest things are the cost of living and the unwillingness for anyone in politics to talk constructively about solutions.

We basically realised that we could be paid similarly but have our CoL cut in half, while living somewhere we find nicer than London. It shouldn't have to be this way, but the current situation is outrageous.

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Also to add, many EU nations are going out of their way to attract MORE foreign workers because there's a shortage everywhere in the developed world.

[–] John_McMurray@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

There is not. There is a desire to under pay.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 2 points 7 months ago

Yeah, Australia is specifically targeting UK nursing staff as well.

[–] Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

And they freaking underpay those foreign workers because they feel like they can get away with it

[–] doublejay1999@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Surely you mean to say "Shaddap you face!"