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Two basic mistakes, according to the Israeli military. First, an officer overlooked a message detailing the vehicles in the convoy. Second, a spotter saw something in one car – possibly a bag – that he thought was a weapon. Officials say the result was the series of Israeli drone strikes that killed seven aid workers on a dark Gaza road.

The Israeli military has described the deadly strike on the World Central Kitchen convoy as a tragic error. Its explanation raises the question: If that’s the case, how often has Israel made such mistakes in its 6-month-old offensive in Gaza?

Rights groups and aid workers say Monday night’s mistake was hardly an anomaly. They say the wider problem is not violations of the military’s rules of engagement but the rules themselves.

In Israel’s drive to destroy Hamas after its Oct. 7 attacks, the rights groups and aid workers say, the military seems to have given itself wide leeway to determine what is a target and how many civilian deaths it allows as “collateral damage.”

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[–] ConditionOverload@lemmy.world 66 points 7 months ago (2 children)

32,000 innocent people were killed in Gaza. That's 32,000 "mistakes" right there.

[–] Akisamb@programming.dev 4 points 7 months ago (3 children)

More than 33,000 Palestinians have been killed in Israel’s offensive, around two-thirds of them women and children, according to Gaza’s Health Ministry. Its count doesn’t distinguish between civilians and combatants.

In the 33 000 figure Hamas combatants are included.

I'd say at least 20000 innocent civilians killed since the start of the conflict. Probably more as Israel seems to be quite trigger happy on civilians.

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

doesn’t distinguish between civilians and combatants.

Neither does Israel.

I'd say that the idea that Israel has actually killed 10 000 combatants is a pretty fanciful one. I'd be surprised if they've even managed 5000.

[–] Land_Strider@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Probably 2/3 of the remaining, presumed Hamas terrorists 1/3 are radicalized or hungry people that do day to day chores of Hamas after seeing many loved ones die to Israel and being deliberately starved by the blockades, rather than being religious, fanatic, or other forms of ideological Hamas members. People with nothing left seeking purpose in revenge, a rise against the oppression they have been suffering for decades, trying to work out some sort of relief or aid organization in civil governmental structures, getting by thanks to being in Hamas instead of out in the streets all alone.

I wouldn't estimate Israel taking out more than a couple thousand core Hamas members that propagate their debatable idealogy, backed by the "collateral" standards IDF have shown throughout the last few flashpoints.

[–] mycathas9lives@mastodon.social 3 points 7 months ago

@Land_Strider @Akisamb

Israel has become exactly what it loathes.

[–] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

The dead women and children were declared hamas posthumously by the IDF

[–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Is there a number of combatants KIA? I'm curious what the ratio is because I have a feeling it's less for some reason.

[–] ConditionOverload@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago

Hamas claims to have lost 6000 and the IDF has claimed the number is 12000. Either way it's horrific that 32,000 innocent people have been killed. People that had no intention of attacking Israel. People who are just caught in between religious extremists. And it doesn't seem like the IDF is stopping any time soon.

[–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 55 points 7 months ago

"Oopsy daisies, we made a wittle war cwimmy" - The IDF probably

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 47 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

There are massive protests in the streets of Israel against Netanyahu. Hamas was barely elected into power, but elected just the same.

Netanyahu =/= Israel. Hamas =/= Palestine.

[–] Scrof@sopuli.xyz -4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Hamas has been violently oppressing Gaza strip basically at gun point. It needs to go. Oppressed people can't liberate themselves. Not when the oppressor holds the monopoly on violence.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Agreed. My point is that the people in charge do not represent all. Proclaiming hate for an entire group of people is the exact reason this is happening. There’s no need for such ignorance.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 45 points 7 months ago (3 children)

It's a genocide. If you can't tell that by now, you're either in total denial or just not paying attention.

[–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 6 points 7 months ago

Or you support it and are parroting the propaganda. We have a lot of people in this camp

[–] Eyck_of_denesle@lemmy.zip 1 points 7 months ago

Or you are actively supporting it. Which is likely for a lot of right wingers around the world.

[–] athos77@kbin.social 40 points 7 months ago (2 children)

“We do everything we can not to harm innocent civilians,”

Press [X] to doubt.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

They just accidentally included the word "not" in the sentence by mistake. Another oopsie poopsie 🤷

[–] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 38 points 7 months ago

Ah yes, a mistake where three precision strikes spread out over a distance of two kilometers, and spread out over time, where after the first vehicle was hit the aid workers phoned the IDF telling them to stop, only for them to continue the strikes. I hate it when that happens.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 35 points 7 months ago

Lol yeah, mistake.

What were they going to say “we did that on purpose.”

[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world 33 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

You’re a fucking idiot if you believe the idf

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 31 points 7 months ago

So thats like 273 amazing mistakes/accidents in a row?

[–] Aux@lemmy.world 30 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 26 points 7 months ago

It was a targeted strike. The aid trucks literally had the name of their organization on the roof. You could read it lining up your bomb.

And note they only apologize when they kill westerners. Palestinians are still dying by the hundreds each day.

Israel is a terrorist state.

[–] Gazumi@lemmy.world 24 points 7 months ago

One of thousands of mistakes!

[–] eardon@lemmy.ca 20 points 7 months ago

"We're sorry we got caught."

[–] macaro@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Note: to avoid getting blown up, don’t drive with things in car.

[–] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

That bag might be a weapon after all.

[–] Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yep. Just like Israel was a mistake.

[–] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

What we should do is convert Palestines to the old Pagan religion of Europe and then give Europe to them.

Yes, this was sarcasm.

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

The IDF officer looking at the WCK logo on his 4k 120hz widescreen MFD

"Yeah looks like Hamas"