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OPENING CAVEAT: this is purely a rant about my own experiences as a not-rich leftist cis man in a mostly liberal city trying to date women. I cannot speak to any other experiences but mine.

I’m an occasional poster, mostly lurker here posting on a burner acct cause I don’t want to get at all personal on main.

all that out of the way….I am in my mid thirties, living in a large city, strongly leftist (maybe not by hexbear standards but certainly those of….virtually everywhere else), and holy shit does straight dating fucking suck in the 2020s. or at least it has for me.

over the course of my adult years I have rejected one way or another pretty much every structural advantage cis white men typically enjoy (especially higher income) in search of somewhat more ethical ways to get by. I quit my old “real” (bullshit) career and switched over to physical labor work that lets me completely unplug and helps me stay (relatively) fit but also keeps me perpetually on the edge of broke. when I tell women what I do there is a total incuriosity about it, as opposed to when I had a relatively well-paid bullshit career with a ladder - that, strangers can respect. now I scrape by but I no longer have panic attacks wondering what the fuck I’m doing. a personal win that has nevertheless rendered me a lot less dateable in the eyes of my peers. I am not imagining this change in perception, I don’t think, nor did I anticipate it. I guess I should have.

that’s when I even get to the stage of chatting someone up, mind you. when I walk into a small venue or party surrounded by strangers, to steal a line, “I do not light it up.” a single man (or at least a single me) at a social gathering or event is like a fucking wandering fart. (I have described this phenomenon to a couple of female friends and they didn’t disagree.) I guess this helps explain the enduring “wingman” concept but p much all my friends are partnered women I would never dare ask to help me in that way.

I’m slightly below average height which rules out dating basically all women over 5’7 due to idk internalized misogyny or whatever (ftr I would have absolutely no problem dating a taller person if they were attracted to me, and in fact was with someone significantly taller for several years, but since the advent of the apps I get the sense I’m getting filtered out altogether, whether on an app or in person). I know there are a lot of jokes about this but it really is just statistically measurably more difficult in my experience to date women as a short-ish guy (unless you're rich I assume).

in theory I could end my misery of abject singlehood by submitting myself to the mercy of The Apps - I met my last partner there a couple of years ago after a fucking shit ton of swiping - but I am too full of spite to consider going back right now. I hate hate hate using them, hate the feeling that I am entering a highly competitive meat market in which I am clearly a below average cut due to the above mentioned reasons, hate being reminded every time I open them up. also as mentioned I’m fuckin broke and at least as a man, ime, you gotta pay money to make them usable/useful (AKA shoot enough shots to even get a response before you hit the paywall).

that’s all beside my philosophical/political objection to using them which is that I fuckin abhor having to give my extremely personal information to some evil company. that’s why I have tried to manufacture as many scenarios/activities as possible to meet ppl IRL, but it’s been a couple of years of this with barely a hint of a spark anywhere.

here’s another major problem specific to my age bracket and gender: I emphatically DO NOT WANT to try to date significantly younger women, but ime they really do seem to make up the majority of women interested in dating a man my age who lives the way I do (that is, sans any sense of upward mobility or interest in “traditional” ways of doing things).

lastly, I wanted to add something about the cis aspect of all this….most of my friends and associates are women and nb folks, and virtually all of them are some flavor of queer. I’m not really, or certainly not enough to comfortably identify that way. it really seems like all the cheap and no-cost speed dating events and mixers I’ve spotted, or at least the ones that would theoretically be good for meeting other leftists, are queer-centric or queer-exclusive. great for you folks! not very helpful for me tho…

also before anyone chimes in with “it’s cool/ok/fine to be single” or any variant thereof….I’ve already spent major chunks of my adult life, years at a time, on my own. I’ve reaped all the benefits there are from singlehood, and I’m grateful for them, but I’m just so fucking lonely and it gets harder every year.

thank you for entering the leftist cis man rant zone. I invite other hexbears to share their grievances as well. I'm not really looking for advice tbh just wanted to yell somewhere

EDIT: shout out to all fellow hexbears struggling in this area I very much like you all!

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[–] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 17 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

for me, I found being alone in a relationship to be far more painful than being alone on my own. and that was a hard lesson to learn.

but your description of experiences in a manual labor gig are very familiar. I was a seasonal farmworker for years. best shape of my life, low stress, tons of stamina for any activity, and I was passionate about what I did for the first time in my life.

generally speaking, nobody gave a fuck. best case scenario: I was a stop for some professional-type playing tourist and slumming it with me for a future story. I'm really sweet and all, but they have their eyes on a 3/2 in the gentrified enclave and a Porsche Cayenne in the garage.... so unless I'm sitting on a trust fund, we should call this what it is.

I used to be pissed about it, but we all gotta be who we are in this world. both me and them. my advice for anyone is to bet on yourself and your instincts in the long term, and if you find the work that builds you up, don't let go of it to make yourself more appealing to somebody else.

[–] burnerforyou@hexbear.net 14 points 7 months ago

so much of this post resonates with me, especially your opening sentence. I know what to do and just to keep on keeping on because my instincts are I think not wildly off base or whatever. I'm not quite past the bring mad stage yet but I'm working on it :)

[–] bigjimmy@hexbear.net 16 points 7 months ago

not a poster but damn do i feel this. i have a problem where every date/talking stage feels like an extended job interview. i also feel like i'm frequently stuck in what i call the "self improvement rut." typically have these downturns/ruts when faced with rejection or ghosting. it leads to critiquing how i acted when i met the person i was interested in and how i can improve myself for future dates or potential partners/friends. i recognize my big problems as sometimes i have painful social anxiety and lack of confidence in myself. however, i'm not really sure how many personality flaws i can really fix, or if they're even truly flaws; sometimes i'm just like "this is who i am, it's kind of immutable at this point."

there's also the money thing but that's fixed by ladder climbing and/or education/training. but those aren't guarantees to higher income. idk sorry for rambling, i'm a little younger, but i empathize with this sentiment.

[–] bigboopballs@hexbear.net 14 points 7 months ago (1 children)

here’s another major problem specific to my age bracket and gender: I emphatically DO NOT WANT to try to date significantly younger women, but ime they really do seem to make up the majority of women interested in dating a man my age who lives the way I do (that is, sans any sense of upward mobility or interest in “traditional” ways of doing things).

why not? and how do you know that, or like where do you get attention from these younger women?

I don't know what it would be like because I've never dated at all. at this point I'd just be glad to be getting any attention. and if they're not immature / can't understand each other due to age gap then it might be fine.

[–] burnerforyou@hexbear.net 14 points 7 months ago

obv everyone is different but I don't love the idea of having a 10+ yr age gap between me and my partner, unfortunately (for me) societally this is not only accepted but desirable for a lot of women who date men (there's literally an article about this on the front page of this website rn last I checked). I personally don't like it cause there's just too much difference (I still remember before the internet!) if/when I hit my mid-40s I think it will feel less weird to say, try dating someone in their early thirties, but idk, maturity levels and rates of emotional and social development vary so much and it's such a crapshoot when it comes to ppl in their early 20s that as a rule I generally steer clear. I don't automatically condemn all relationships with that sort of age gap but they do seem to generate fucked up dynamics a lot.

as for how I "know" that, I guess I don't really... I'm just guessing based on anecdotal observation and such. I will say the last time I quasi hooked up with someone (a significant period of time ago) it was essentially an accident of proximity/via friends and they fell slightly below my preferred age gap threshold and.....I immediately regretted it. it was powerfully wrong. (not going into details on here lol)

[–] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

sensation like a spiked knot in my stomach on reading that post title, which only became worse when i opened it and saw how long the post was

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[–] 420stalin69@hexbear.net 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

What do you want, comrade?

Dating tips? Commiseration?

If you want to PM me screenshots of your dating profile or if you want me to critique the way you present and dress, I’m here for you. I’ll be gentle but honest.

The best dating advice is a cliche: you have to love yourself before you can truly love anyone else. I truly believe we could all use a bit of therapy to help us deal with the inevitable traumas that life imposes on us, and being hot is 80% being fit and wearing nice clothes, so truly you have to work on yourself first. That isn’t a personally directed comment. That’s a truism that applies to anyone and everyone.

Nobody is perfect and we all struggle. Maybe this is projection from my own experiences with depression and its impact on my dating preferences and dating success, but if you feel you need validation from having a partner then it could perhaps mean you would benefit from improving your capacity to find validation from within yourself.

[–] burnerforyou@hexbear.net 14 points 7 months ago (1 children)

if you feel you need validation from having a partner then it could perhaps mean you would benefit from improving your capacity to find validation from within yourself.

one more time:

also before anyone chimes in with “it’s cool/ok/fine to be single” or any variant thereof….I’ve already spent major chunks of my adult life, years at a time, on my own. I’ve reaped all the benefits there are from singlehood

moreover for me at least it's not a problem of "validation," I'm more than used to supplying my own (I've taken enough unsuccessful stabs at both therapy and depression meds to get tagged as "treatment resistant" so you best believe I keep busy as hell!), it's a simple matter of loneliness (itself a downstream symptom of broader trends in social and economic alienation as many others itt have pointed out)

[–] 420stalin69@hexbear.net 9 points 7 months ago

I wasn’t attacking you :), my apologies if what I said wasn’t asked for. Good luck with your journey.

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 12 points 7 months ago

I'm sorry, man.

[–] DyingOfDeBordom@hexbear.net 11 points 7 months ago (4 children)

IMO if the dating apps are as bad as people say they are, there's always Reddit. Yeah the dating pool is redditors but like, just post about how much of a communist you are, it'll weed out a lot of the liberals

at least responses to r4r posts are generally either real people or at least very easy to tell if fake/scam/bot etc with 0 effort

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[–] LaForgeRayBans@hexbear.net 10 points 7 months ago (8 children)

Are you only looking for cis women exclusively because thats is probably the greatest hurdle for you to getting in a committed relationship with a beautiful woman.

[–] burnerforyou@hexbear.net 18 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Most trans ppl I meet in this town are significantly younger than me tbh

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 17 points 7 months ago

That's because zoomers are doing it right.

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