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TO THE ADMINS: Read this thread and give me one good reason why federating with toxic, propaganda spreading tankie loons is a good idea.

No one wants those fucks, or the alt right dipshits for that matter, around, and they're spreading blatant lies, yet I see they are here. Does lemm.ee only care about boosting its numbers and is willing to sink to new lows to do it, I wonder? 🤔

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[–] sunaurus@lemm.ee 50 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (15 children)

For the time being, I have no plans to change our federation policy. I realize this is not what you want to hear, and I'm sorry to disappoint you. It's just not a goal for lemm.ee to curate external instances for now.

There are probably many instances out there that have horrible content (content which would get users banned if they posted it on lemm.ee), but vetting instances and maintaining a defederation list is a big effort, and I believe this effort is much better spent elsewhere.

I've stated this in many other similar threads, but let me also reiterate here: the above should not be taken to mean that lemm.ee is some bastion of free speech absolutism. Users or communities breaking rules on lemm.ee are dealt with. Also, we do reserve the right to defederate any instance which starts causing problems for lemm.ee on a bigger scale (so in cases where banning individual users is not effective).

I realize this is a topic where it's impossible to make everybody happy, because each person has their own view on what should be federated or defederated. At the end of the day, for anything that's not illegal or directly hurting lemm.ee, I believe it's best to leave these decisions up to users - you can make your own choices with which users and communities you block, and I'm certain that soon you'll have the tools built in to Lemmy itself to make the same decision on an instance level as well. And if that doesn't work for you, then there's always the possibility of joining a different instance with a different approach to federation.

[–] Ilikecheese@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Thanks for this attitude. Lets me know I’m on the right instance. I want to be able to choose who I block, and I don’t want someone else choosing that for me.

[–] PizzaDeposit@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
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[–] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I second. Please do the instance a favor and disconnect from them. They are bad faith actors here to do nothing but cause chaos. If I could block them on my own, I would have done it day one.

[–] Astroturfed@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Most of the apps allow you to block communities or entire instances. I've been using connect, it's free and let's you block. Most of the reason I downloaded it.

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[–] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 24 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I've personally found the hexbear locals to be really inclusive, and pleasant to interact with. I couldn't say I agree with the totality of their political outlooks, but I've not found them particularly unreasonable.

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[–] WtfEvenIsExistence@reddthat.com 20 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Seems like you need to find a new instance. There's no point in complaining about an abusive partner, they're never gonna change.

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[–] czech@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Have you considered hosting your own instance? Its not difficult and you can control exactly who you federate with.

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[–] shootwhatsmyname@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago

I don’t think a worldwide general-purpose instance should be removing content, users, or instances based on an opinion of the content. That’s censorship by definition.

Removing content based on an opinion is very different than removing users or instances that are manipulating Lemmy votes/accounts or expressing extreme targeted hate towards an individual.

[–] zoe@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago (15 children)

u can always filter instances using connect or sync as u please: there is no need to ask ur admin for defederation ( it is kinda extreme really )

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[–] nkiruanaya@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I want to hear all viewpoints. Don't talk for me. You can block if you're against diversity, equity, and inclusion.

[–] gullible@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I don’t even go to this school, but here’s a picture of the Tiananmen massacre. Tank man was a badass

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[–] kool_newt@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Please don't defederate because others have different views. There's an ocean of difference between right wing fascists advocating for the elimination, enslavement, or oppression of innocent peoples and "tankies" who ultimately want to help people even if they have a different path to get there and some can be dicks about it.

[–] misk@lemm.ee 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Modern day tankies are indistinguishable from fascists since they shill for fascist shitholes like Russia and China. I don't care about intent, everyone can lie about it. You can't lie about outcomes.

[–] Astroturfed@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is my problem. I support communist and socialist eonomic ideals and reforms, all these tankies claiming China or worse Russia are somehow actually communist hurts the cause. They're basically fascist nationalists claiming to be communist. It's infuriating...

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[–] Astroturfed@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I don't have an issue with people having different views, but I had to block a ton of that shit due to the blatant propaganda. I have to think it's filled with Chinese bots at this point. Saying the Tianamen square massacre didn't happen is akin to Holocaust denial. It's insane blatant shilling.

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[–] ZoomeristLeninist@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

im sure many in ur instance want us “fucks” around. where is the lie btw? if its so blatant you should be able to back up ur refutation w evidence

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