I really really want to see some third party seriously take on Biden in states without Trump on the ballot. It would be hilarious if they manage to win a state and fuck up the electoral college, leaving no winner.
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MFW the closest thing there is to a relevant third party are the fucking libertarians, who are just republicans who haven't read The Turner Diaries yet.
Libertarians are at least closer to us than the other parties. I was raised by a conspiracy libertarian, and while I don't even talk to my Dad anymore, I can firmly say that the values he distilled in me as a child are what made me a communist. He was more critical over American intervention than anybody else I've ever met, he was the first person I saw critically support the national self determination of the Taliban. He was even better on China than most people in the States, constantly asking if I actually believed the bullshit on the TV. He was overall anti-China, but knew way more about the nation than I've heard from any other westerner, including calling the Black Book bullshit while criticizing China. If I talked him into it, he'd even be able to admit that Mao was a net good for China as a nation.
I'm probably wrong large scale, but I feel like I've seen a certain earnest conviction amongst American libertarians. As if they have decent values at heart, but have given into capitalist brainworms. I've shown many libertarians Marx, because Marx is just spitting straight facts in the first two volumes of Kapital, there's barely even an emotional argument there it's just pure facts. Usually have to synthesize what he's saying, but they usually agree with Marx's criticisms after having it translated.
In America, Libertarians are the most valuable people to convert. They're already leaving America's party system, and consider both parties to be controlled opposition. All you have to do is shift their window with Marx (or Lenin, depends on the person) and they will shift.
Libertarians in my (somewhat significant) experience are an even mix of:
- Republicans who are embarassed by reactionary social positions, but who reliably support Republicans because they don't really care about social issues that don't immediately affect them.
- People who would be libs if they grew up in a blue state, but they grew up in a red state so they would be embarrassed to be Democrats (and by virtue of being on the outside share many leftist critiques of Democrats).
- Hardcore reactionaries who only want to put a better gloss on "tear down the state so I can hurt and exploit whoever I want."
- Cranks.
Group 2 can be brought around with a little effort, and maybe a sliver of Group 1 with a lot more effort, but there's a lot of people who are basically lost causes.
Imagine a world where Trump wins the electoral college but gets less than 30% of the popular vote because the liberal states took him off the ballot.
2020 me (ironically): “the election was stolen”
2024 me (unironically): “the election was stolen”
every year, me (unironically): "the election was stolen by capital"
I think the Supreme Court is gonna come down on the side of not letting states determine who gets put on the ballot. It’s way too destabilizing (in a “bad for capital” kind of way) because once you open that door every state with a trifecta in state govt is gonna remove the opposing presidential candidate, guaranteed. Well, the GOP will at least.
Sure but how will the court enforce that ruling?
The body that decides when the scotus has jurisdiction is scotus. If the states choose to disobey a scotus ruling then either Biden sends in the army to enforce it OR red states simply don’t list Dems and blue states simply don’t list GOP and we wind up with an Avignon president.
All I have to say is 6-3
Or 7-2.
Or 8-1.
Or 9-0.
9-0 is very dangerous because I could die laughing.