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Biden admin calls transgender athletes in school sports "complicated" (www.newsweek.com)
submitted 1 year ago by SexUnderSocialism@hexbear.net to c/news@hexbear.net
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"It is a complicated issue. It is truly a complicated issue, with a wide range of views, truly a wide range of views," Jean-Pierre said. "There is no 'yes or no' answer to this, it is complicated. There is a rule that the Department of Education [DOE] has put forward, and we're going to let that process move forward, and again, we want to make sure that while we establish guardrails with this rule, we also prevent discrimination, as well, against transgender kids. But again, a complicated issue with a wide range of views, and we respect that."

"Absolutely no reason for the Biden admin to do this," New York Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez wrote. "It is indefensible and embarrassing. The admin can still walk this back, and they should. It's a disgrace."

"Honestly, this move by Biden to push a rule on trans kids in sports is not only a backwards betrayal, it [forces] us to have to spend our time dealing with god d*** sports instead of criminal bans on our healthcare," Alejandra Caraballo, a civil rights attorney and LGBTQ+ advocate, wrote. "He could have just done nothing. This is legitimizing transphobia."

The mOsT PrOgReSsIvE Administration in History™ funny-clown-hammer "A complicated issue with a wide range of views, and we respect that" funny-clown-hammer Fuck off out of here with that "centrist" nonsense. There's nothing complicated about it, and it's not an issue unless you want to turn it into one and want to appeal to people's emotions like Republicans are doing. It was only a matter of time before they'd start throwing trans people under the bus. I guess with the coming elections it's as good a time as ever.

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[–] betelgeuse@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Just in case anyone from other instances are stopping by, this is how liberal democracy leads to fascism. You have a right wing party that wants to criminalize being trans while tacitly supporting physical violence and extermination. The only viable opposition party can't even use decisive language about the validity and existence of trans people among cis people. Because it might hurt their polling.

Now the strongest, political position from the "left" is "it's complicated." So when the right starts being very clear about violence and carrying it out through official state entities, the new left position will be even more to the right. Because they already gave up on "Trans people should participate in the things cis people do." So it's not even about trans people living a normal life. Historically, by the time we get there, it doesn't matter what the left position is anymore. Because the right has taken over and are putting people in camps.

This is why it's so very annoying to hear about harm reduction and voting the lesser evil. That's not how it works. One hand washes the other. The lesser evil just leads to greater evil getting strong anyways. It doesn't stop it or bide you time. The only lesser evil is violent revolution, which is only evil if you don't understand what's at stake here.

[–] axont@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I remember reading that when Utah did their ban on trans athletes in school sports, there was exactly one trans girl playing in a girls' sport in the whole state. Exactly one. Statewide legislature passing laws focused on one person, a child.

All this scrutiny and transphobia is directed at literal children, many of whom might be the only trans athlete out of millions. Transphobia is such a disgusting thing to me, not only because of the chauvinism and bigotry, but because it's just so senseless. Trans people are already rare enough as it is and also one of the most vulnerable populations in regards to poverty, assault, unemployment, etc. I've seen some statistics saying that only around 1,000 people in America initiate HRT per year. That should give an idea of just how rare and vulnerable trans people are. And now there's a senseless cultural panic just to whip up a few more eyeballs on the spectacle?

Death to America

[–] SlyBlue@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I've seen some statistics saying that only around 1,000 people in America initiate HRT per year.

Can I get a source on that? Can't find one myself but I live in the gay city so it might just seem like more

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[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Trans people matter, sports don't.

[–] IzyaKatzmann@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wholeheartedly agree, I have yet to see this take in person

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What stands out to me is that the people worrying the most about trans people in womens' sports are the same ones who were making fun of womens' sports specifically right up until they realized they could use it to attack trans people.

[–] IzyaKatzmann@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The way I always interpreted it was that any artificial environment necessitates artificial constraints which will always 'sample' from a 'population'. Sports are an artificial environment actively ensured to be such for some purpose. Whether that be entertainment, social bonding, profit, etc.

The sampling can have methods of organizing, say in a simple ordering of individuals based on skill with certain qualities. Think weight classes in boxing and the ranking of within them. It doesn't need to be so, and it seems that it tends to be the case to make it easier to conceptualize the relationships between the people who participate.

Of course in such an artificial environment certain traits like physical strength, coordination, flexibility, endurance, or whatever, in isolation or combination determine the likelihood one may succeed according to the artificial constraints. Are we to be surprised individuals who have been the primary enjoyers and participants, i.e. men, perform 'better'? It's what would be expected if the conflict of interest of fascicle chauvinism is accounted for rather than ignored for reasons of self-interest.

What I never understood was, say there are participants of some group in some sport who are overwhelmingly unlikely to win. This would be true for the participants, what about the coaches? If you open up the artificial environment from some small scale to something bigger, say at the level of winning teams, where are the differences then? In the case of owners of teams, where the amount of risk or investment the owner wants to take is then the primary metric? As you move further and further away from the artificial environment to the real world, the differences matter less and less.

Sure, my wife is not as tall as me, if I am around I'll help grab something on top of the fridge. That isn't the only environment she finds herself in. We have a step stool she uses to get stuff, she can rearrange things to bring it lower, or find some alternative item. There are any number of solutions or strategies one can take outside of an artificially constrained environment.

It's really as though these individuals want to hate women and trans people, or any marginalized group, then find the environments which may be hostile, make them actively hostile, and then when their plan succeeds and they have oppressed or disadvantaged these groups enough they claim victory due to their perceived superiority.

There's a quote from Catch-22 I think of when this sports talk comes up:

"Like Olympic medals and tennis trophies, all they signified was that the owner had done something of no benefit to anyone more capably than everyone else."

[–] christiansocialist@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Think weight classes in boxing and the ranking of within them. It doesn't need to be so

Yeah like Street Fighter. Which of course the Gamer(TM) types have no problem with when they play with a girl character... But put a trans woman in there an all of a sudden they explode.

[–] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Americans lose their minds if you put peoples lives over their treats

[–] Magician@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

This sports transphobia is mostly directed at trans girls/femme/women, right?

Are they doing this shit to AFAB people in men's sports?

Regardless all this discourse is wrapped up in misogyny too, implying that people AFAB are always going to be worse at sports.

And it doesn't take into account the general unfairness in sports. Some people are born into wealthy families who can afford to feed their kids, get them healthcare, and train them into sports.

It's all the talking points about affirmative action, just in a different font.

[–] combat_brandonism@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Are they doing this shit to AFAB people in men's sports?

chess is lmao

[–] milistanaccount09@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

yes. You will notice though that the primary direction of transphobic rhetoric is aimed at trans women and not trans men. this is a result of misogyny at its core. this is part of the phenomenon of transmisogyny, the intersection of misogyny and transphobia

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (6 children)

It is also about patriarchy in that it is seen as a problem for a man to give up his patriarchal benefits, while it is seen as a virtue for women to seek patriarchal benefits. Same reason that gay men always suffered more gay hate than lesbians, the appearance of taking on the "feminine" role is viewed as a threat to patriarchy.

[–] milistanaccount09@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And in a world where modern psychology was founded upon the teaching that all young girls suffer from penis envy, most people think striving for masculinity seems like a perfectly reasonable goal. Author and sex activist Patrick Califia, who is a trans man, addresses this in his 1997 book Sex Changes: The Politics of Transgenderism: “It seems the world is still more titillated by ‘a man who wants to become a woman’ than it is by ‘a woman who wants to become a man.’ The first is scandalous, the latter is taken for granted. This reflects the very different levels of privilege men and women have in our society. Of course women want to be men, the general attitude seems to be, and of course they can’t. And that’s that.”

Once we recognize how media coverage of transsexuals is informed by the different values our society assigns to femaleness and maleness, it becomes obvious that virtually all attempts to sensationalize and deride trans women are built on a foundation of unspoken misogyny. Since most people cannot fathom why someone would give up male privilege and power in order to become a relatively disempowered female, they assume that trans women transition primarily as a way of obtaining the one type of power that women are perceived to have in our society: the ability to express femininity and to attract men.

Whipping Girl, by Julia Serano

[–] AcidSmiley@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Transphobia directed at transmascs is also always mysogynist in nature. Its core concepts are toxic notions of masculinity seen as unfullfillable for AFAB individuals, the maintainance of control over AFAB bodies as reproductive units and sexual objects, and the denial of agency to AFAB individuals, all due to their assigned "female" gender. Terfs routinely claim that trans men and transmasculine nonbinary people are just "confused girls" making a mistake, the entire terf discourse around the issue hinges on the concept not to let people designated as broodmares decide what to do with their uteruses because they are too emotional and irrational to make choices for themselves. It doesn't get more mysogynist than that, which is ironic when the target of the mysogyny are men, but that's bio-essentialism for you. When you want to see how fully seperated any and all terfs have become from the feminist roots at least some of them used to have, how deeply and utterly mysogynist they have become, ask them about trans dudes.

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[–] EmmaGoldman@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Clearly we need to ban all sports until we can figure out and resolve what the fuck is wrong with Americans.

[–] AcidSmiley@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What if we need to ban all Amerikans until we know what the fuck is wrong with sports?

[–] EmmaGoldman@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago

This also works

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[–] Fibby@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Okay, so democrats may not be harm reduction, but they'll... checks notes ...look the other way as others cause harm?

[–] Tomboys_are_Cute@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago

Ah the abortion playbook

[–] PsychedSy@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Out of curiosity, if someone is engaging in good faith conversation how likely are they to be banned here on hexbearpig?

[–] TheBroodian@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago

If it's sincere good faith, unlikely that banning will be involved

[–] MaxOS@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago

brump

[–] M68040@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago

do not cede ground to the right. for god's sakes, do not cede ground to the right.

[–] D61@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago

anarchista-chad No, its really not.

[–] star_wraith@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago

"It is a complicated issue. It is truly a complicated issue, with a wide range of views, truly a wide range of views… There is no 'yes or no' answer to this, it is complicated.”

I read this in Stephen Merchant’s voice

[–] Freeanotherday@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago

Libs get the wall too.

[–] christiansocialist@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They just need to combined all sports and make them genderless. In cases like boxing just go by weight class, since they do that for men and women's leagues anyways.

[–] geikei@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago

Trans people in sports isnt complicated. Let them compete in whatever league or category they want and identify as. Thats perfectly duable right now in the current sports scene. No gender segregation in sports altogether is very complicated and would need a serious advance into a socialist society and population cultural mindset for it to be able to be implemented without hurting most the existing hundreds of millions of women athletes at all levels imo.

Under a socialist system of mostly amateur,well founded sports scene and the equivalent education i agree thats the ideal. In our current system i feel the realities of founding and way the sports ,especially competitive sports, are structured and approached would have a vast majority of female athletes understandably not wanting genderless sports league and any suggestion or movement towards that policy before or without prioratizing complete reform of how sports and sports leagues are structured wont go anywhere.

Why would women track and field athletes want genderless sports rn if that would 100% translate to them constantly losing and being left out of competitions, losing sports scholarships let alone financialy supporting themselves and having little chance of proffessional career or any international or national success. Even if they got payed all the same, there still a want and need for athletes to compete and have a chance to win on some level of the sport against their peers. So even in the amateur scene. If the best performing woman in t&f can only hope for in any competition, be it town,city, college, state or national , to with the 20th best time or throw or jump with everyone ahead of them being men then they wouldnt take that deal and even more so the others.

Same with team sports. At any level the team will be looking to win and will chose the players that will make that more likely. So you will end up with segregated leagues any way where even in amateur leagues 98% of the rosters are male. A solution would be to enforse a quota that every team must have X woman players on the team and they must play at minimum Y minutes but that would still lead to huge issues and idk if again the women athletes would want that

[–] LocalMaxima@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago

can you wait to have rights? The Most Important Election Of Our Lifetime™️is coming up and we can’t afford to lose the transphobes

[–] wombat@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago

we may have to start making excuses for the lack of terror

[–] WhatDoYouMeanPodcast@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Besides what everyone else is saying in defense of trans rights which are human rights, I want to add a tangential point. I wouldn't ever want my elected representative to think an issue is complicated. I sent you to the executive branch to exercise power on my behalf. Not to exercise fairness, not to exercise @Civility@hexbear.net . No, motherfucker, we WON, fucking act like it. I don't need the issue explained to me, you're not a salesman. You don't propose shit; I do. If you're the one for the job, I vote for you. You are my public servant. I don't know what drivel they taught you for that bullshit law degree, but it's clouded you to the reality that your will, desire, and vision for the country as an elected official is secondary to mine. The issue is not complicated as far as you're concerned; we'll tell you what the answer is.

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[–] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago

they realized that the GOP is historically unpopular and are rushing to help them out

[–] wtypstanaccount04@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago

"It is a complicated issue. It is truly a complicated issue, with a wide range of views, truly a wide range of views," Jean-Pierre said

"China is a big country, inhabited by many Chinese" -Charles de Gaulle

[–] GivingEuropeASpook@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What's the rule though?

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