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help finding a community on a different server RESOLVED (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by downtide@sh.itjust.works to c/main@sh.itjust.works

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SOLUTION FOUND - thank you

There is a community called Tarot on lemmy.world, and I want to subscribe to it. The url is https://lemmy.world/c/tarot. I've been to lemmy.world when not logged in and I can see it there. But when I try to find it from here, I can't. I tried putting !tarot@lemmy.world in the search and got "no results found". I've been told that "someone needs to search for it, for it to appear", but I have already tried to search for it, many times. What else needs to happen for me to be able to see and subscribe to this community?

Or do I just have to make a second account on lemmy.world?

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[–] manitcor@lemmy.intai.tech 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

its because no one has yet subbed to that community from your instance, as a result it may take some time for the information to come over. I find sometimes searching for a post in the sub helps but it can take multiple tries and a wait before it works.

Once you get there, sub and with in a day youll start getting updates from that community on your instance.

[–] sixfold@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How far back will posts and comments appear? I've had issues where I'm getting like 10% of the votes, comments and posts from communities on other instances.

[–] manitcor@lemmy.intai.tech 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

if the server has not synced it before then it starts at the time of the first sync. there is no concept of syncing archives in this protocol though the API does support it IIRC

[–] sixfold@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can you link to or describe the API support for this behavior?

[–] manitcor@lemmy.intai.tech 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

this is the process i have observed with setting up my own instance along with helping a number of people with theirs having the same issue in the matrix channel.

the api has a call called get_posts you would need to call it on the instance the community is on. I don't think anyone has a proper archive sync tool and if one arrived i suspect some discussion around how it could hammer an instance.

[–] sixfold@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I thought I'd leave a link to some discussion of these issues on the github. https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3105

[–] sixfold@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago

It seems like there are a few different issues:

There is no way to discover communities for the first time for a particular instance without leaving your instance webpage
Viewing a previously unfederated, or recently federated server is missleading, since votes and comments are missing, and so posts are not sorted, and also often missing since they were posted pre-federation.
Even on a federated instance, there is no interface to view all the communities present on that instance.(especially ones older than the date of federation) without leaving your home instance (appearing to be logged out)

All these issues put together makes for a clunky discovery process, and separates the ability to interact with a community from the act of viewing it for the first time. (You have to leave your instance to view it in it's entirety, but since you're no longer logged in, you can no longer interact with these posts unless you copy and search for every individual post AND each comment that you want to interact with from your home instance)

[–] qazwsxedcrfv000@lemmy.unknownsys.com 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Have you tried searching with https://lemmy.world/c/tarot too?

[–] downtide@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes - that works but it says I am not logged in. This is why I wonder if I need to make another account on lemmy.world

[–] qazwsxedcrfv000@lemmy.unknownsys.com 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I mean putting "https://lemmy.world/c/tarot" into the search input in https://sh.itjust.works/search and do the search. I know it is a bit counterintuitive but this is how the UI works at the moment. It will likely take a while to show up. Just be patient.

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