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"Will you vote for Biden in the 2024 election?" [Y/N]

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[–] lunardroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 138 points 10 months ago (154 children)

One side is working to dismantle democracy. The other side is not. If you don't vote blue you are enabling Republicans to enact Project 2025. You would enable Republicans to take away rights from LGBT people in America. You would enable abortion bans and enable even more of the genocide in Gaza. You would enable Republicans to do all the types of stuff listed in the meme, and they will try.

I am convinced some of the far left that won't vote for Biden because of the war in Gaza are being influenced by Republicans. I wouldn't be surprised if some of those people are Republicans trying to get people not to vote for Biden. It may not be an ideal situation, but if you don't vote for Biden because you think he is handling the war in Gaza horribly, you are doing exactly what the Republicans want you to do. Maybe someday we'll be able to vote for someone better than him. But for now, you have to understand the reality of our two party system, and deal with it. At the very least, don't do what the Republicans would want you to do: staying home rather than going out and voting for Biden

[–] oatscoop@midwest.social 41 points 10 months ago (2 children)

For all their many flaws: Democrats leave office without attempting coups when they lose.

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[–] Stern@lemmy.world 89 points 10 months ago (37 children)

Man I just want to vote for a better candidate not strategically vote so the worst one doesn't get elected. Why tf isn't Trump in jail yet

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[–] bashbeerbash@lemmy.world 56 points 10 months ago (9 children)

Trump will for sure encourage a true genocode of palestine. remember the kurds he abandoned to Syria/Putin? remember the muslim ban?

[–] roscoe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 10 months ago

I hear you, but fucking over the Kurds after they stuck their neck out to ally with us has been an American pastime for decades.

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[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 48 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Don't forget getting rid of Medicare, raising taxes on people making under $90,000 a year, dismantling the IRS, and just full on fascism.

[–] RedditWanderer@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Don't forget defunding EPA and clean water programs, and the delay/added damage is costing a lot more in American tax monies. Except it's during the Dems term so Republicans are happy to make things expensive, and whine about it until they can get back into office and do nothing about it.

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[–] Agrivar@lemmy.world 43 points 10 months ago (9 children)

"Will you vote for Biden in the 2024 election?" Yes

Maybe I'm just getting old, but I have no problem seeing the vast difference between the two choices we're going to be given in November.

No matter how much the children in the room piss and moan, there are realistically only two choices - 3rd party candidates only exist to spoil it for whomever they're ideologically closer to of the two "real" candidates. Furthermore, Biden has turned out better than I expected - and I'm a Bernie Sanders kinda guy!

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[–] bhmnscmm@lemmy.world 32 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Aaron Bushnell was a moron. He should have waited to self-immolate after the election, that way he could still vote for Biden.

Obvious /s.

[–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world 32 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (10 children)

Y

Don't worry, a bunch of fucking idiots think not voting is the solution, turning what could just be 4 more years of "definitely not good" into a toss up with "holy fucking shit I didn't know it could be this bad".

The vapid motherfuckers doing everything based on principles without taking reality into account is how the left always seems to get so little done.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 28 points 10 months ago

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Fuck Biden, and fuck the DNC, may they rot in hell, but Trump would be worse for people I love and care for.

My only hope is that the GOP implodes due to infighting, and the DNC splits into a leftist and establishment group of parties, so that we can choose between a leftist and a liberal, not a liberal and a fascist.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 28 points 10 months ago (1 children)

"Will you vote for Biden in the 2024 election?"

Primary? No. General? If he makes it.

The current electoral phase is the primary, which is what those voting 'Uncommitted' are involved in. You have to understand this the first, last, and only phase in the presidential election cycle where voters have ANY say, even the possibility of it, on influencing executive policy for their party.

Anyone thinking criticism of Biden in a primary is the same as supporting Trump in the general is delusional and demonstrably doesn't understand the electoral process for president.

Are people like OP really concerned about Dean Philips or Marianne Williamson becoming the democratic party candidate? Because that is the phase we are in: internal party primary elections. People are trying to shape the Democratic Party platform through a democratic process and there is all this blowback that amounts only to "B-but Trump!"

That perspective relies on a misunderstanding, willful or not, of American Presidential election cycles.

Though I still am hedging my bets that at least one of the general election candidates keels over in the next 6 months.

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[–] anarchost@lemm.ee 28 points 10 months ago (9 children)

"Will you vote for Biden in the 2024 election?" Yes

For anybody saying no, I would like to know what radical action we were all supposed to have taken in 2021 to the present that would have fixed America, or how revolution will be easier under a Trump presidency, or what specific plan the vast majority of leftists and progressives wants to enact

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[–] UprisingVoltage@feddit.it 28 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Please start your comments with the following question answered at the top

Nice try, FBI

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[–] Fades@lemmy.world 27 points 10 months ago (3 children)

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given all Biden is doing for women with abortion and ivf, he’s getting kids breakfast and lunch money, he’s helping reduce college loan disasters, Medicare is going after pharmas that price gouge, he’s the first president ever to join union members on the picket line, I could go on and on.

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[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 27 points 10 months ago (26 children)

It's crazy how much energy is already being put into blaming voters for being turned off by an undesirable politician.

Usually this happens after an election.

Biden supporting genocide WILL disengage voters regardless of how bad the other guy is. His decision to support genocide will hand Trump the presidency on a silver platter.

If someone kicks their dog, the dog responds by biting the fucker, and the fucker responds to the bite by giving the dog away to some other fucker who kicks the dog even more... are we really going to criticize the dog for biting fucker#1? How about don't kick the god damned dog??

[–] snooggums@midwest.social 22 points 10 months ago (20 children)

Trump supports the Isreali genocide and also wants to do the same thing at home with immigrants.

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[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 24 points 10 months ago (1 children)

To clarify: fuck Trump 75%, and fuck Biden 25%. Does that work for everyone?

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[–] LazyPhilosopher@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Weird how that makes it seem like the people trying to make things better are the ones responsible for making things worse. It's almost like the whole system was set up to give us two horrible choices and make us think the lesser evil is actually good. That way we won't try to really fix anything ourselves and just get angry at the people who do for "wasting their votes". No hate to anyone who thinks this way just sharing another perspective.

I'd rather have Biden than Trump. But I'd rather have Dr. Cornell West or Claudia de la Cruz more than either of them by a lot. Hell I'm probably going to vote for one of them. I live in Maryland, a blue state that'll go to Biden anyway. If anybody has a problem with that, I don't care 🤷

[–] splicerslicer@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

The best time to plant the tree you wish to rest under the shade of was several years ago. The next best time is now.

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[–] manuallybreathing@lemmy.ml 19 points 10 months ago

I'm going to vote so hard, that'll teach 'em

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago

Y

I don't begrudge the people who don't want to vote for him. For those who see their vote as support and complicity, I understand the reluctance. If Biden suddenly said fuck gay and trans people tomorrow, I would not be a happy camper. I would not be happy voting for a politician who hates gay people and deny them their rights.

But I would still do it. And I hope everyone who doesn't want to vote for him still comes around in November to reluctantly do so.

[–] Godric@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago (35 children)

Let's vote against someone meh for not being left enough, there will surely be no negative consequences to voting against someone for not being left enough

[–] Zehzin@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago (2 children)

"Being meh" is my new favorite definition of "enabling genocide"

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[–] Pratai@lemmy.cafe 16 points 10 months ago (4 children)

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And let’s not forget the right-wing trolls that shill the propaganda that feed the leftists rhetoric.

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[–] xX_fnord_Xx@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I am not a man of any faith, but prayers for a timely stroke have crossed my mind.

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[–] archomrade@midwest.social 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)
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