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Even more major than the current major sanctions...

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[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 83 points 8 months ago (2 children)
[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Israel represents a massive foothold in the region for the US, as well as facilitating all of those new oil pipelines running through Gaza. Palestinians are probably going to be wiped off the face of the Earth in order to keep that sweet sweet oil money in American politician's pockets.

[–] Stamets@lemmy.world 49 points 8 months ago (3 children)

So either they were going light on sanctions despite Russia invading and attacking a sovereign nation or they're lying about adding sanctions just for diplomatic clout.

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 22 points 8 months ago (1 children)

it's possible that new avenues for sanctions have opened up since the last round which the State Dept can now pursue.

[–] CraigeryTheKid@lemm.ee 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

interesting, thanks for the education. I also came here to shout "how are there sanctions left to give?!", and I didn't consider 'rules of engagement' would apply like that.

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

time passes, new opportunities present themselves. for example: a lot of investigations into where Russian oligarchs have been hiding their money have come to fruition, so seizing those funds through various channels has become an option. New ways Russians have been funneling money through backchannels have presented themselves meaning there are new channels for pursuit.

things chang over time, meaning that new sanctions may be possible. there’s a lot we, as civilians, won’t and can’t know.

[–] Tyfud@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That's not exactly how sanctions work. You have legal limits on sanctions based on trade agreements. Certain actions by the other nation allow you to enact or lift sanctions and still keep the trade agreements and diplomatic ties in place.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Why should anyone care about legal obligations to Russia? A country that invades its neighbors is not operating within the realm of law and should not benefit from legal protections.

[–] Tyfud@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Because geopolitics is a hard problem that ends up being unfair by nature.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com -1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

"It's complicated" is a non-answer. How, specifically, do Western countries benefit from honoring agreements with a country that is currently threatening them with nuclear weapons?

If I owe money to a someone who murders my neighbor and then threatens to murder me and all my other neighbors, I'm never going to pay him no matter what I agreed to in the past. That goes double if the murderer is also a broke alcoholic who spends all his money on weapons.

[–] Tyfud@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Your question is a good one, and I don't understand why you got down voted for asking.

The thing to keep in mind, is that it's not between us and Russia.

Russia has still working trade agreements with other countries. Countries we also have trade agreements with. Like China.

Us fucking with Russia against our established trade agreements, might looks to China like we could do the same to them if they did something up another country we didn't agree with.

So honoring those trade agreements with Russia, protects the other agreements we have with other countries.

'it's complicated' is easier to say, but the truth is that most countries don't get along with each other. Especially those that share borders. This creates some very difficult dynamics to keep the world economy in place.

We could, of course, stop. But then the world economy would collapse.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Well for one there is a relatively stable government in charge there so containment and appeasement are good options. If we were to turn the vice too hard, their eyeballs might pop out of their head, and by that I mean the mostly stable government could collapse and the nuclear material could be lost, and by lost I mean western countries would not know exactly where it is and what it's doing.

It's complicated but it's not really that complicated. I'm sure I could explain this to a five year old.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 8 months ago

The idea is that you don't dump all of your sanctions at once onto Russia, because then they have nowhere else to go but to escalation. The west wants to give Putin economic "off-ramps" so he can withdraw from Ukraine out of financial pressure rather than with violence.

[–] itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 25 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Who told you about the double secret sanctions???

[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 4 points 8 months ago

Somebody broke Rule 1 of the Double Secret Sanctions Club.

[–] Blackout@kbin.social 20 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I bet they are going to cancel Putin's Netflix account now. Could start WW3

[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago
[–] FlightyPenguin@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Whoa whoa whoa, that's maybe too harsh. Maybe just downgrade him to ad-supported?

[–] splicerslicer@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

People like you literally want to see the world burn. Sanctions I understand, but advertisements, might as well threaten him with waterboarding.

[–] CosmicApe@kbin.social 15 points 8 months ago

Government: kills one person
USA: sanctions! All the sanctions!

Other government: kills 29,000 persons
USA: would you, idk, like some more bombs?

[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

So have they been holding back this whole time?

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 3 points 8 months ago

It would start to become less about sanctioning russia and more about applying sanctions to anyone who does any kind of business with them

[–] squirrelwithnut@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

They'll teach'em!

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

How many more sanctions can the US still put on Russia? They've shown that western sanctions mean nothing as long as India and China are willing to do business.

[–] ForgotAboutDre@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

There always the option of sanctioning countries that don't sanction the target country.

This should already be happening to Russia. It should be a ratcheting strategy of continuing sanctions till Russia retreat back to their own borders.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

Awwwe yeah let's get it.

[–] lntl@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago

sounds serious