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Maybe lets use the opportunity to flip the script. Reunite Ireland and offer Scotland to join, creating the United Republic of Ireland and Scotland.
Then demand the UK to change it's name to Kingdom of England and Wales as a prerequisite to any negotiations with the EU
The Celtic Union is a dream of mine ever since Brexit happened.
Can Wales join you guys? We just too polite to England what we think.
I'm neither Scottish nor Irish unfortunately, but I'd say the more the merrier!
Wales isn't a kingdom. It's a principality of England.
Without Scotland it isn't a unity of kingdoms at all.
Edward I took over Wales while divided and it's been a principality of the English crown since.
If Scotland becomes independent it's logically back to "England" officially.
If England still has sovereignty over Wales and Northern Ireland one is a principality, the other a territory. Neither is a kingdom capable of forming a union of kingdoms.
Another name might be chosen but "United Kingdom" wouldn't be accurate anymore. If it stayed the same it would be an anachronism.
Wales hasn't been a principality of England for quite a while...
Wales is a separate constituent country just like England or Scotland.
It's NI that's... complicated.
Wales being a separate country is debatable.
They went from being a principality with some sovereignty to having none.
Currently they have devolved powered but the UK parliament has full sovereignty and can veto anything the Senedd decides.
They have no currency or mint. No separate legal system. No separate military.
Essentially they are were a part of England on joining the UK and their sovereignty comes from the UK parliament.
If Scotland left and the Union was broken they'd be a part of England again.
Northern Ireland is complicated.
It's not really debatable, that's what they are. A constituent country like Scotland or England.
They went from being a principality with some sovereignty to having none.
No. They have some level of sovereignty now. But they are part of the UK and thus can't ignore UK-level decisions.
Currently they have devolved powered but the UK parliament has full sovereignty and can veto anything the Senedd decides.
The same is true for Scotland. England doesn't even have any power in this sense, they don't have any devolved parliament. How does this mean Wales isn't a constituent country of the UK?
They have no currency or mint. No separate legal system. No separate military.
So? You're clearly not understanding what constituent country of the UK means. Yeah, they're in the UK and use UK currency and military. Legal system is a bit complicated in that they're joined but Wales can still set their own laws. How is that relevant?
If Scotland left and the Union was broken they'd be a part of England again.
No they wouldn't. This is based on literally nothing other than your own assertion.
Also, you keep flipping between Wales is part of England and Wales isn't part of England.
Forgive if I'm wrong (not a native speaker), but why does United Kingdom implies several kingdoms to be united. Couldn't it be a kingdom which united several previously independent territories?
This issue with that is Wales and Northern Ireland haven't been independent territories either.
England conquered them. They haven't voluntarily joined a union, they have been conquered.
Northern Ireland with "power sharing" meaning they cannot elect a democratic parliament is essentially is run as a colony. The only caveat being they do have seats in the UK parliament.
Wales is a semi-autonomous part of England with a local government having some say but no ultimate control should the national government decide against something. Again they have seats in the national parliament so they aren't a colony.
Essentially in any other place Wales would be just part of England, not a separate country. Not a separate territory as there's no significance to the border except a historical one.
Wales is not part of England. Please stop spreading misinformation.
Wales is part of the UK.
NI has a very clear-cut legal option to leave UK and reunite with Ireland but Scotland's situation is a lot more complicated.
Much like the rest of the UK then lmao
It's a complete pisstake that a referendum with such slim a majority result, held immediately after the EU refugee crisis when anti-EU sentiment was at an all-time high both in the UK and elsewhere, has caused so much upheaval.
The likes of France and the Netherlands actually had greater anti-EU sentiment at the time than the UK had. Fortunately for them, their leaders weren't reckless morons like David Cameron was.
Yeah britain pulling everyone down with them.
I feel like brexit should have required a 60% majority. It's changed things so drastically for people living there, a simple majority seems like there were a bunch if rich people just hoping enough propaganda tipped the scales in their favor.
You know who was a fan of two-thirds majority vote? Nigel Farage was, of course only until the very moment Leavers were at 52 vs 48.
The Star Trek βProphecyβ might actually come true! :o
In all seriousness, it makes a whole lot more sense now that the consequences of Brexit are disproportionately felt by the population in the north.
The UK was hurt a lot, but we should not look down on them. Our Union lost a Member. That made us all weaker.
And if they ever want to come back, let us all put out our Hands and welcome them back. They don't need to be ridiculed, they suffered fairly the most from their actions. And it would take a lot of courage to admit they were wrong.
I just want back my Iceland grocery stores π«
No, they chose to leave if the EU just welcomes them back what message does that show, that the Union is not just optional but you can hop in and out at will, that would be a terrible political move.
Fuck em LoL. They deserve what they get.