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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (22 children)

That's a current picture, not a future picture.

Our first amendment rights are only exercisable with the permission of the government, preferably in silence tucked away where no one can see us.

Our third amendment rights are non-existent because SCOTUS draws a line between the police and soldiers. (Never mind the British soldiers were here to police the colonies)

Our Fourth amendment rights exist only notionally. If officers get a dog to jump at your car or have a "good faith belief" that they're within their rights to search.

Fifth is almost just gone. Civil Asset Forfeiture means only the rich can afford to keep the state from taking their stuff at any time. States routinely re-run criminal trials by deliberately getting a mistrial declared if they're losing.

The sixth is a joke. Public defenders in some places have as little as 7 minutes to look at your case. And if you're accused of a misdemeanor you probably won't have a jury at all. But you will lose your job, your house, and everything else in a chain reaction as you have to figure out how to pay hefty fines with no job. Also you'll probably end up in prison for contempt of court when you have trouble paying.

The eighth amendment is likewise a joke. Instead of protecting poor people in the system, it's used as a cudgel to force confessions.

And this is all on top of decades of wealth transfer out of the working class to the point that it's getting hard to buy food for half the country.

Oh yeah, Trump would be horrible. But he's the guy we've been getting set up for, not the guy the establishment is trying to avoid. I'll probably vote for Biden but I'm not going to be surprised when the "status quo genocide" guy gets his ass handed to him. Democrats needed to fight for this and they just aren't.

Edit to add - Y'all know the second the GOP puts up a reasonable sounding asshole we're fucked right? Like if Nikki Haley got the nomination? All that pressure drops away and she'd still institute project 2025 just like Trump.

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[–] zanyllama52@infosec.pub 24 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Why do Americans only have these two candidate choices in the presidential election? They seem so diametrically opposed, it is difficult to fathom how a majority of Americans could think either align with them politically.

[–] __dev@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

It's a natural result of their election system. First-past-the-post strongly disincentivizes third parties from running due to the "spoiler effect" - say there was a similar candidate to Biden that was pro-Palestine, any votes for this candidate take away votes from Biden thus making it easier for Trump to win. Most people don't align with either party, but they don't get much of a choice.

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[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Palestine will be even more fucked under Trump, he's firmly on Israel's side and would probably increase aid or give them carte blanche to just exterminate Palestine completely. While Biden hasn't been much better, there's at least signs that his administration is trying to reign in the Israelis, though for whatever reason they haven't been terribly serious about it. I'm assuming it's because Israel is a client state that for the most part cooperates with the US and buys our weapons, they can help further whatever policy goals we might have in the region. IMO they seem like they're more trouble than they're worth, whatever we might gain from Israel is ruined by Israel's own conduct, they're dragging us down with them as they act belligerently to everyone around them. Maybe being surrounded by hostile nations on all sides does that, but from the outside looking in it doesn't look like they've seriously sought peace.

If anything, we should be withholding aid from them to get them to show a bit more humility and willingness to work towards peace, but I'm guessing they'd just turn to Russia or China instead and continue being belligerent. If that happened though, then Palestinians are just as fucked as before, if not more so. It's crazy how fickle we can be with any other nation that needs our help and have left plenty of other allies to die, but for whatever reason, we just can't quit Israel. Given all of the alternatives, Palestinians face a slow death unless some sort of two-state solution can be found (or if they could be integrated better into Israel instead of being dead-set on their own independent state), but from what I can see, the least-worst option is for the US to try to be a moderating influence on Israel like what Biden has been halfheartedly doing. It's not great, but the alternatives are worse.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Yes, am agreeing that must not vote for Biden Genocide Joe. American President must be strong defender of freedoms like Trump, or like great president Putin.

Also, I am liberal sexually fluid college student who eats of many avocado toasts and demands money. Not voting Biden is shared by my many many friends of all races and economic class.

[–] DirkMcCallahan@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago (1 children)
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[–] TheSlad@sh.itjust.works 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I just want someone who will live in this country for another 30 or 40 years after they leave office...

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[–] SolNine@lemmy.ml 18 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (8 children)

I'm convinced if it wasn't the conflict in Palestine it would be some other issue that would prevent them from being able to "morally" support Biden.

Yes the conflict in Palestine is terrible, yes there are atrocities occuring, no I don't have any of the solutions.

There seem to be a subset of people that only want to see the negative in every aspect of life and this carries over to politicians/politics in general. The grass is forever more green elsewhere.

I recently asked a friend trapped in this bubble if they had seen the new Mario movie, as I attempt to avoid politics with them at this point in time, and I received the answer, "No, fuck Chris Pratt." I didn't bother asking why, but it seems that nearly ever aspect of life, except the ones they choose to conveniently ignore is reason for social outrage and some how it is "Biden's Fault," with complete disregard to what the alternative looks like.

But 3rd parties!!! Oh yes, because statistically splitting your vote between the only two groups with a chance of being elected to office is the "moral solution."

I don't ever want to hear about "harm reduction" from them again, when their "moral" decision results in women's healthcare being a literal afterthought and rights for a variety of marginalized communities being stripped away. 1,500 people a week are still dying from COVID in the U.S., but hey, let's help elect the party that wants to continue erroding any remaining social safety nets, because you know, people who get sick don't matter as much as this months zeitgeist of social outrage.

[–] squirmy_wormy@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (16 children)

That was such a a wandering comment that idk how to respond, aside from: there are plenty of reasons why Biden is not as progressive as the world is moving. The way he handled Ukraine and Russia was amazing. He just backed the "Russia" in the Israeli/Palestine version. And I personally don't like that. And if I can't voice my displeasure with an elected official, then what are we doing here?

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[–] originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee 14 points 11 months ago (5 children)

I was having the same conversation with people in 2016. In fact, for every election since 2000. Yes democrats often suck. But at least they believe in consensus based governance and the rule of law. The modern GOP (since the civil rights era) has been firmly authoritarian and anti-democratic. Unfortunately your choices are between “lackluster” and “truly horrifying.” Changing that will take a generation but if you don’t participate now and vote against the GOP, things will be far worse far more quickly than if Democrats just disappoint you.

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[–] TragicNotCute@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

Mf-ers out here acting allergic to periods.

[–] Froyn@kbin.social 15 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Those aren't the folks that worry me. The folks that worry me are the ones that are voting Trump (as they put it) because "Biden is going to ban flavored cigarettes so no more Menthol".

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[–] Galds@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

There is Taiwan also

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 15 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Not voting for my candidate is the same as voting for my opposition, but not voting for my opposition is not the same as voting for my candidate.

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[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Unless you guys are ready to have the revolution today, you need to vote Biden if you don't want Trump to win. Period.

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[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 11 months ago (8 children)

what a great comment section

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