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I received a lot of flack in my other posts for providing this data in conjunction with his efforts to raise money. I separated this post in order to comply with the rules. https://www.reuters.com/technology/space/musks-spacex-approaches-investors-another-tender-offer-bloomberg-news-2023-12-06/

To verify the satellite data click the bottom left box that shows the fireball.

Idk how this news isn't mainstream. A loss of 1,000 satellites before the lifespan of 5 years is a major story.

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[–] Gigan@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I thought Starlink was really cool when I first heard about it. I know people that use it because it's the best Internet available to them. But I'm not sure if the amount of space waste they are creating is worth it.

[–] shortwavesurfer@monero.town 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This stuff falls back into the atmosphere and burns up quite rapidly since it's in extremely low orbit.

[–] Gigan@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Even if 100% of the stuff burns up, it's a lot of energy and materials that needs to be constantly replaced. Seems like a lot of maintenance to keep the array operating long-term.

[–] teft@startrek.website 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also vaporizing metals being added to the upper atmosphere isn’t exactly great.

[–] Gigan@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Isn't great how? Like in a going to make global warming-worse way or going to give us cancer way?

[–] teft@startrek.website 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There are several effects this could have on Earth and the atmosphere. The presence of these particles could affect how water freezes into ice in the stratosphere, and influence the size of stratospheric aerosol particles. They could also induce salt deposition on aerosol particles, and alter the stratospheric refraction of light.

These may seem like subtle changes, but they could have unintended consequences that we really ought to investigate, the researchers say.

Link here

[–] topinambour_rex@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Few months ago an article was published about how the rockets was warming the upper atmosphere and it was bad for it.

[–] shortwavesurfer@monero.town 5 points 1 year ago

You make a good point there for sure. The lower the orbit, the faster the return and burn up, but the lower the latency as well. That's why usual satellite internet sucks so badly. Those satellites are in geostationary orbit and light takes 0.7 seconds to get there and back.

[–] dinckelman@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

This is what scares me the most. At a certain point, we'll just have to go "whoops, our planet has no more resources to leech", and we'll be permanently stuck in stone age

[–] ilovelemmy12345@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Data showing it's happening within a day.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

It’s hard to put a value on access to high speed internet, because it’s such a force multiplier for productivity, art, and culture.

[–] drdiddlybadger@pawb.social 4 points 1 year ago

Holy shit. How does that failure rate compare with other organizations? It's a major cost to lose a satellite those things aren't cheap in the slightest.

[–] GlitterInfection@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

They're always in the last place you look!

Starlink is the world's largest satellite company and boasts a network of about 5,000 low-Earth orbit satellites.

So I see two things here right off the bat. First, a loss of >= 20% seems really high. Aside from the financial implications and service impacts, we have environmental concerns of atmospheric pollution caused by launches and satellite debris. And of course, SoaceX will be permitted to externalize those costs by not having to pay for any of the effects caused or for cleanup. That will be on the taxpayers and the global population to absorb, so that SpaceX can continue to print money with no responsibility.

[–] vsis@feddit.cl -2 points 1 year ago

Title is sensationalist bs. People obsessed with elmo again.

Although it would be cool to know how normal is to lose units to the atmosphere.