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sounds like this can only end with lobotomies to make their soliders feel nothing and question nothing

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[–] xj9@hexbear.net 10 points 11 months ago

has the pentagon considered investing in diplomacy and trade?

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

This is Sci fi shit and even if the technology wasn't magic atm it would still be a bad idea if it worked as planned. That gives you Star Wars Prequel Battle Droid soldiers. Taking away an aspect of someone's psyche generally doesn't make them better at stuff that is incredibly complex and chaotic like modern war is.

Also who would sign up for this? Maybe a few ultra chuds, maybe they could sell it to some idiots, but recruitment in general is down. Getting a mandatory emotion wipe for joining isn't gonna boost numbers.

[–] WayeeCool@hexbear.net 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Taking away an aspect of someone's psyche generally doesn't make them better at stuff that is incredibly complex and chaotic like modern war is.

A factor in why the Soviet Red Army, Vietnam People's Army, and Chinese People's Liberation Army proved better at winning wars of attrition against enemies like the US, Germany, and Japan. The US, Germany, and Japan since the WW2 era have dosed their frontline soliders on high doses of amphetamine. Methamphetamine was first used by the Japanese military, it was also adopted by their German allies who gave it to all their soliders in WW2. For Germany methamphetamine was a major factor in offensives collapsing, German military units would push non stop without sleeping for days, after a week their frontline units were hallucinating and having full psychotic breaks deep behind enemy lines.

https://time.com/5752114/nazi-military-drugs/

https://www.scmp.com/magazines/post-magazine/long-reads/article/3051418/how-world-war-ii-got-japan-and-us-got-hooked

The US at the same time had discovered another amphetamine, dextroamphetamine aka dexedrine and its more potent form adderall. Returning US soliders after WW2 were so addicted to it that dexedrine was sold in grocery stores and gas stations until it was finally made prescription only in the late 1970s early 1980s. It was used by most Americans and we just blackholed the fact that the US issue with amphetamine abuse started as a result of pumping all US service members full of it in WW2.

https://www.wired.com/2003/02/the-u-s-military-needs-its-speed/

Dextroamphetamine is still heavily used by the US military for air force, navy, and special forces— discussion of it only comes up after US fighter pilots lose their shit after being kept awake flying combat air patrols for over 48 hours, start hallucinating and drop all their ordinance on Canadian ground forces. The US also feeds their JSOC forces (seals, delta, etc) a cocktail of nandrolone (19-nortestosterone) and dextroamphetamine, which goes a long way to explaining the insane violence (murder sprees, dismemberment, decapitation) that they are always getting up to when terrorizing the communities living within 50 miles of Fort Liberty (formerly fort brag). Like what do they expect after pumping already violent men full of anabolic steroids and amphetamine at the same time?

[–] CrimsonSage@hexbear.net 10 points 11 months ago

Warhammer 40k is satire guys....

[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 7 points 11 months ago

Serious talk on manufacturing an army of sociopaths. pooh-wtf

[–] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Why not just make zillions of drones?

[–] TraumaDumpling@hexbear.net 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

i mean they will probably do that as well, but we are a way off from completely replacing humans for things like hostage rescue, seizing infrastructure without damaging it, acting in poor visibility, operating in theaters with contested electronic warfare capabilities, and other ambiguous, complicated, or politically sensitive tasks. especially ground drones don't perform well in poor visibility and unpredictable terrain. to make a drone cheap they use cameras instead of LIDAR, so its harder to program software to interpret the visual data. with LIDAR it would have distance data as well and could compensate for things like dust and weather and lighting at least. but then the drones would be too expensive to use in many scenarios. and remote operated drones can be hacked or at least jammed and cut off from commands, resorting to preset behaviors and retreat routes, more and more militaries and groups will have more and more EW capability as the tech is cheaper to produce.

[–] WayeeCool@hexbear.net 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

to make a drone cheap they use cameras instead of LIDAR

Can't use LIDAR in most military applications not due to cost but because it makes your vehicles and drones into a beacon that can be seen for miles through not just infrared optics but even shitty digital cameras. Most people don't realize this unless they live somewhere companies are testing self driving cars and sidewalk delivery robots. First time you see them on digital security camera, it's a real "wtf is that" moment.

check out this security camera footage: https://youtube.com/watch?v=uOWPj-4SSTU

You don't notice this with the naked eye because LIDAR systems all have their lasers tuned to the near-infrared spectrum (like an ir TV remote) but with a standard CMOS camera sensor it looks like the vehicle has a lighthouse installed on it. With smart phone cameras made in the last 7 or so years because they added a filter to remove it so people's pictures/video don't get randomly fkd up.

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