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[–] can@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

cross-posted from: https://beehaw.org/post/594843

hey folks, here's a quick update on our decision to defederate from sh.itjust.works! (and here's sh.itjust.works's side of this update)

we got in touch with the head admin over there, The Dude, and we had a pretty good chat about our concerns and reason for defederating. while immediate re-federation is just bluntly off the table with the rudimentary state of Lemmy's moderation tools, we now have a pretty good idea of the roadmap to refederating with them. we think we'll eventually be able to do this, although we don't have a timetable on when yet.

we're also now collaborating with him on how to move forward--and in the weeks and months to come we'll be pushing to expedite the process of developing some of the necessary tools. this decision has really helped us make connections that can hopefully realize those tools both on the desktop side and in apps being developed for Lemmy. we're also hoping to collaborate with other Lemmy administrators who have needs like our own, or just generally want more granular tools at their disposal.

we did also get in touch with the lemmy.world owner prior to defederating to share the concerns that prompted us to defederate[^1]--but we have not received any communication from him since it was levied, so there's no roadmap at all there as of now. we're always open to reconsidering and collaborating to end the defederation with him, but for now the earliest i can give you is "when mod tools are in a better state".

that's all for now folks. if any new significant developments take place we'll announce them as needed.

[^1]: we're only bringing this up now because it was just not useful information in the context of our announcement. it almost certainly would have been interpreted as some sort of callousness and/or brought unnecessary sectarianism and grief to him. at the end of the day he has his reasons and desires for running lemmy.world how he does, and we have ours for running Beehaw as we do. because of social and technological circumstances those are just incompatible right now, and that's fine.

[–] MiddleWeigh@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

The transparency is refreshing.

[–] ritzylasagna@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

It's almost like we need to create some kind of... Constitution that everyone agrees on for these United States... I mean, instances. Ahem.

[–] albinanigans@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Yanno what? Good for them! Not only for swiftly defederating at their discretion (which I support, full stop) but also this open dialogue that is happening.

People forget that defederating can be reversed, but it requires communication and cooperation for that to be an option.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I would like to thank /u/thedude for having an open dialogue with other instances.

Edit: (how) can I link to a user? @TheDude /u/TheDude

[–] sbv@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why did Beehive decide to defederate?

[–] Xathonn@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Since lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works didn't have any restrictions on making accounts they were getting a lot of trolls coming from those 2 instances so they defederated from them until the moderation tools become more advanced.

[–] onceuponaban@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Given that kbin (or at least kbin.social) generally doesn't have restrictions on making accounts either I would assume we're next, eventually.

[–] BaroqueInMind@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

And if they do, nothing of value is lost.

The community in Beehaw are all cool people, but their weird rules and heavy filtering puts me off.

Beehaw admins give me vibes of a power-hungry reddit mods or overbearing parent who thinks they know better than me.

I'll stick with other instances that allow adults to speak with adult language. I'm sick of the fucking nanny caretaker censoring bullshit that forums tend to eventually become.