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Boomers in the 80s and 90s were fucking depressed. They described their lives as a boring, soul-crushing existence where they did the same hollow shit day in and day out. They hated their bosses, they hated their jobs, their kids, their wife/husband. People had "Mid-life crises" where they tried to fill the void with "a fast car and a young hot fling." things capitalism told them would make them happy. It didn't.

Seriously listen to any media made by boomers when they were in their 30s-50s. It's all jokes about how fucking mundane life is.

Even at its peak, life under capitalism was hollow and soul crushing.

They were basically taught "as long as you keep your head down and play the game, we won't hurt you financially"

Sure, (if you were white and male) you had money, but it took everything else away. Community, friendship, family. Trapped them in a gilded cage. Having to watch their children having even that promise of financial stability ripped from them. And don't get me started on how terrible it was if you weren't a white dude.

I have to wonder if the "selfish, childish boomer" stereotype is something of a coping mechanism. Maybe some boomers are like that because thats their jokerfication.

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[–] Des@hexbear.net 57 points 1 year ago (3 children)

imagine working on enriching projects your whole life that have lasting effects and better humankind and human progress at large and leave legacies that last for centuries or more soviet-heart

or whatever thing we have to do instead capitalist-laugh

Beautifully put. The thought of it is very emotionally stirring.

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[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 51 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Boomers in the 80s and 90s were fucking depressed. They described their lives as a boring, soul-crushing existence where they did the same hollow shit day in and day out. They hated their bosses, they hated their jobs, their kids, their wife/husband. People had "Mid-life crises" where they tried to fill the void with "a fast car and a young hot fling." things capitalism told them would make them happy. It didn't.

Seriously listen to any media made by boomers when they were in their 30s-50s. It's all jokes about how fucking mundane life is.

I am old enough to remember boomers making an entire media era about wailing for their receding hairlines and gradual awareness of mortal limits. That era fucking sucked and it was full of sex pest shit like creeping on teenagers as a normalized practice. City Slickers the film is like a period piece summarizing that mentality.

[–] ScrewdriverFactoryFactoryProvider@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago (7 children)

There’s a sex pest movie line that was seared into my brain and occasionally pops back in to make me cringe. I don’t even know what movie it’s from, but it was a popular one.

the line(dude is spying on girls at a school) “That’s what I like about high school girls. I keep getting older but they stay the same age.”

[–] coeliacmccarthy@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

dazed and confused and it's matthew mcconnauheyhey

That makes sense. Be a lot cooler if it didn’t.

[–] blight@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

mcconnahueydeweylouis

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

A line like that is also in City Slickers. (CW: sex pest, creepy sex pest joke normalizing kiddie creeping)

spoilergrillman "The older you get the younger your dates get. Soon you'll be dating sperm!"

[–] GarfieldYaoi@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

pika-cousin-suffering

The CHUD credo: "Everything is sexual deviancy except for actual sexual deviancy, which is fine."

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

Reminds me of one of my chuddiest relatives who constantly and exhaustingly jokes about SV and is a massive Gambo fan but also ranted nonstop for like an hour one time about how enraged he was that one Gambo episode had a gay blowjob in it and how that could corrupt his small children that he was otherwise fine with being in the same room while Gambo was on. pronouns

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[–] coeliacmccarthy@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago

American Beauty is the pinnacle of this

[–] RedQuestionAsker2@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago

Have you considered that they all just had awful wives?

[–] bigboopballs@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago (3 children)

But those idiots still worship capitalism.

[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Yeah, it's true. But I honestly think it's a problem of the society (insert joker meme) we live in and we can't pin it to a single generation.

There were anti-capitalist boomers, hell, some of the media that helped shape my anti-capitalism was made by Boomers. Captain Planet, Mother 3, both made by Boomers.

Gen X might have their horrible shitheads like Elon Musk, but they also produced a lot of anti-consumerist people too.

In my own generation (millennials) we may have our burnt-out worker masses crying out for change, and our Hasanbis, but we also have our Ben Shapiros and Charlie Kirks shilling capitalist propaganda.

Hell, even Zoomers might have Greta Thunberg, but they also have Mr Beast.

I think we see the capitalist side of generations as they get older because those are the people who get rewarded and pushed into the spotlight by capitalism.

[–] combat_brandonism@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

hold up, Mr beast is a zoomer

[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think he's 25, which only just makes him a zoomer... I think?

[–] TheWorldSpins@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I kniw, it hurt me too when I found out yes-honey-left

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[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Boomers should be divided into 2 generations if we're gonna do this whole pop culture generational bullshit. Cause right now boomers comprise of hippies/early rock n roll 60s stuff/ the punk/new wave thing of the the late 70s through the 80s which was done in contrary to what was considered outdated classic rock that was played by aging relics to early Gen x celebrities. One generation shouldn't contain both a counterculture and a reaction to thst counterculture getting stale at the same time.

[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Probably. I'm not a huge fan of generational labels to be honest

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[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think boomers became fond of Minions because they saw themselves as Minions for capitalism; toiling but forcibly accepting it because there was no alternative and none perceived to be possible. agony-minion

[–] GarfieldYaoi@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Minion would be such a good name to call CHUDs, particularly the younger ones.

  • Speaks an incomprehensible language that remotely sounds like English? (Based zoomer rizz sigma soy)

  • Exists to serve the greatest villain in the world (younger CHUDs are scarily enthusiastic to admit they're the bad guys, and get off to the idea of being bad.)

  • All act like idiots, but supposedly that's okay because it's charming to some section of the population.

  • Loud, annoying, and almost everywhere on the internet

  • Generally look the same.

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

You're absolutely right. I fully support any grassroots effort to establish chuds as minions the way that we locally call computer touching techbros "bazingas."

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[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

One of my least favorite kinds of media is the kind where boomers and Gen Xers whine about how terrible working their stable jobs is and how their lives feel aimless, I should go take a soul searching trip to Nepal, life is simpler there, maaaaaaan. I mean, it's capitalism, of course the jobs are going to suck to some extent, but even at the time they should've had some perspective. Douglas Coupland's Generation X, which is where the term comes from, is the perfect example.

[–] quarrk@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ya it’s annoying but I think those feelings of ennui are valid. One merely needs to connect those feelings to their material basis and you’ve got a large potentially progressive demographic as capitalism further decays. Obv it’s better to have ennui than to be impoverished in the global south, but it’s still a negative symptom of capitalism, and expression of that should be encouraged.

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

One of my least favorite kinds of media is the kind where boomers and Gen Xers whine about how terrible working their stable jobs is and how their lives feel aimless,

I was young enough to be around to fucking hate the "generation meh, REALITY BYTES" privileged ennui shit from bored well-to-do Xers that became adults before I did, having few materially tangible things to complain about but getting preoccupied with poisoning themselves with irony.

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

Turns out even with livable conditions capitalism is alienating and awful. They focused on that part cause they had lvsvle conditions.

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[–] drearymoon@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago (5 children)

"Why, yes, my favorite brand name soda is OK Soda. This marketing is definitely not a reflection on the je ne sais quoi of our generation. I'm OK. We're OK. Stop asking." -Boomers in the 90s

[–] Aryuproudomenowdaddy@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

I'm OK. We're OK. Stop asking.

Many, many GenXers became junior boomers and still are. grillman

[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

OK Soda has been remembered more for its unique advertising campaign than for its fruity flavor. The name and advertising campaign attempted to poke fun at the "I'm OK, You're OK" pop-psychology of the early 1970s. OK Soda was intentionally marketed at the difficult Generation X markets, and attempted to cash in on the group's existing cynicism, disillusionment and disaffection with standard advertising campaigns. OK Soda's concept was that the youth market was already aware that they were being manipulated by mass-media marketing, so this advertising campaign would just be more transparent about it.

Excerpts from the OK Soda manifesto, written by associate creative director Peter Wegner, were printed on the cans, and were also available for a short while on OK Soda's website. Some of the sayings were:

What's the point of OK? Well, what's the point of anything

OK Soda emphatically rejects anything that is not OK, and fully supports anything that is.

The better you understand something, the more OK it turns out to be.

OK Soda says, "Don't be fooled into thinking there has to be a reason for everything."

OK Soda reveals the surprising truth about people and situations.

OK Soda does not subscribe to any religion, or endorse any political party, or do anything other than feel OK.

There is no real secret to feeling OK.

OK Soda may be the preferred drink of other people such as yourself.

Never overestimate the remarkable abilities of "OK" brand soda.

Please wake up every morning knowing that things are going to be OK.

Well now I just feel bad for Gen X too.

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
What's the point of OK? Well, what's the point of anything

OK Soda emphatically rejects anything that is not OK, and fully supports anything that is.

The better you understand something, the more OK it turns out to be.

OK Soda says, "Don't be fooled into thinking there has to be a reason for everything."

OK Soda reveals the surprising truth about people and situations.

OK Soda does not subscribe to any religion, or endorse any political party, or do anything other than feel OK.

There is no real secret to feeling OK.

OK Soda may be the preferred drink of other people such as yourself.

Never overestimate the remarkable abilities of "OK" brand soda.

Please wake up every morning knowing that things are going to be OK.

Massive, massive "has a laptop with this fucking symbol on it which was a warning sign that the bearer was probably an insufferably pompously apathetic asshole" energy.

[–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

Composition and taste edit

OK Soda had a more "citric" taste than traditional colas, almost like a fruit punch version of Coke's Fresca. It has been described as "slightly spicy" and likened to a combination of orange soda and flat Coca-Cola.

Everything else about this sounds awful but the flavor seems, dare I say it, OK

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

My favorite thing about OK Soda is that it never made it to mass market, which means they probably thought the marketing campaign was too cynical even by marketing ghoul standards. The band Dillinger Four made a song about OK Soda and realized that most people were confused because it was only available in some test markets, so most people had never even heard of it at the time.

[–] quarrk@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Interesting. Has any serious research been done into the midlife crisis phenomenon and linked it to the postwar boom? I’ve always heard/thought of it as an inevitable thing related to aging in general, but Really Makes You Think™ if it’s actually another capitalist condition

[–] Egon@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ive always thought of the midlife crisis as being about you finally hitting the point where you've got the money and the time to do the thing(s) you've wanted to do since you were 12.
I know the only reason I don't have a cool motorbike is money and time

[–] xj9@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

i always thought it was a breaking point of being trapped in a life that "you're supposed to have", but don't really want. so people do a bunch of silly junk to fill the void that a nuclear cishet lifestyle can't fill. realizing their wildest dreams cannot fill it either, they go back to the monotony they're familiar with.

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[–] Great_Leader_Is_Dead@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Boomers in the 80s and 90s were fucking depressed. They described their lives as a boring, soul-crushing existence where they did the same hollow shit day in and day out. They hated their bosses, they hated their jobs, their kids, their wife/husband. People had "Mid-life crises" where they tried to fill the void with "a fast car and a young hot fling." things capitalism told them would make them happy. It didn't.

I think our perspectives are being skewed here a bit by media. Media is generally made by very introspective people who think about their lives a lot and therefore tend to have more existential malaise. Well that's the sympathetic way of putting it, the less sympathetic way is saying they're kinda narcissistic and up their own ass.

So they all hated it cuz it was soul sucking. The less creative Boomers and Gen Xers I've meet have pretty found memories of the 80s and early 90s, they had cash, music and movies were good, there was coke and cars and women with big hair. They fucking loved it.

If you were hedonistic and not really interested in things being much "deeper" than that, it was a good time.

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You have a good point here, but you have to wonder how many of the people who say they loved the era actually did. Someone who takes things at face value like that and doesn't discuss whatever introspective thoughts they have wouldn't tell a lot of people if they found their life underwhelming or empty.

My parents and their friends can't shut up about how great the 80s were.

Even older leftists I've met have expressed some 80s nostalgia. Heck I'll be honest, even as a child of the 90s there's some shit about the 80s that seems cool. A lot of my favorite movies and music came from the 80s, and being able to buy a house with a job you could get straight out of high school probably rocked!

I think maybe we're actually talking about the 90s more than the 80s here. In the 90s the cracks on the system started to show more and while things were still good for kkkracker middle class kids it was becoming clearly how a lot of it was build on bullshit. There was rebelliousness in the 80s but it was always more cartoony and bohemian.

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[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was young and the ideal age to consume 80s and 90s products and I especially fucking hated the 90s as I lived them I-was-saying

[–] Great_Leader_Is_Dead@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well yes but you also are the kind of person who found and (very frequently) posts on HexBear. If you were a slop gobbling piggy you may have felt different.

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I was a naive smug "the only reason people do bad things is they are not educated enough" liberal in the late 90s. Does that count? pepsi

spoilerGetting tear gassed as a protester in the cool zone in 1999 changed that somewhat. fuck-around

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[–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Trapped them in a guilded cage

nerd

"gilded" = covered in gold

"guilded" = having a guild, i.e. a medieval artisanal institution and historical precursor to both cartels and craft unions.

"gilded cage" = a cage covered in gold, for the purposes of situational and dramatic irony

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[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

"Ah but you see, unlike under ebil Sovjet gommunism, they have many freedom and different brands of treats to choose from!" smuglord

[–] ScrewdriverFactoryFactoryProvider@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’d add that widespread media tends to be written by very privileged people, which magnifies this effect. This goes doubly for The Simpson’s, which is written largely by people with PhD’s in math and engineering, many of them Ivy League. There’s something about embracing privilege which involves denying one’s true self, which just isn’t good for you. I think it’s deeply tied to why no ruling class has ever willingly and peacefully surrendered their power. On a systemic level, class interest manifests as state apparatus. On an individual level, class interests manifest as denial of self.

[–] star_wraith@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’d add that widespread media tends to be written by very privileged people

I think one major societal issue we have that is an impediment to building socialism is that fact that media is created by and about privileged people. Think about how many shows are about doctors, lawyers, detectives, successful entrepreneurs, etc. Or shows about writers or teachers where they don’t actually experience financial hardship. Compare that with how often you see a show like Maid or Roseanne. The majority of Americans barely get by financially (at best) but the dramatic over-emphasis in media on highly compensated professionals or people who have plenty of money creates this illusion that financial precarity is the abberation in American life and not the norm.

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

Even if the character(s) have "humble" origins, often the main thrust of the plot is that they are actually born special and are now exempt from all the burdens of humility and must take on the responsibility of being magic cops in service of the status quo. morshupls

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