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Will Chris win?

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[–] SamC@lemmy.nz 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (28 children)

Looks very unlikely there will be any other result besides National/ACT majority. Without having to worry about other coalition partners, this will probably be our most right-wing government of the MMP era. A lot of the National caucus are pretty right-wing at heart (rather than Labour, where a lot of them are pretty centrist at heart). So ACT will probably get more wins out of the coalition agreement than you might expect. NACT should be able to keep the government running smoothly as it was under Key, meaning they will be odds on to win a second and probably third term.

Which means cost of living, inequality and environment/climate issues are all set to get substantially worse.

[–] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And that last sentence is what the election should have been all about.

[–] SamC@lemmy.nz 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It was about that, but Labour were terrible at convincing the NZ public that they were better than National on those issues.

[–] Mojojojo1993@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Labour have done a horrendous job. They deserve this. But it will Royaly fuck the poor.

Not looking forward to the next 3 years.

[–] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Im just reminding myself that regardless of who is at the helm, things aren't going to get better in the next 3 years. NZ has lacked decades of investment and so small that we are at the wim of Aus, Europe, China and US. National may give our country a bit of strength, but it won't be stronger people and I doubt they will be looking ahead.

[–] Mojojojo1993@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Rolling back environmental policies and landlord tax will be pretty bad for all of us. I don't think strength is anything we require. Nobody is worried of an armed New Zealand.

[–] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Clarification - economic strength, (business) investment, population and tech. Soft power, not hard power, but saying that I'm in Defense studies and the asia-pacific region is having significant concerns with hard power and we have a massive EEZ. Moot point though, back to mine.

Our country needs significant financial investment - we love this country but we are soo far behind in soo many ways. Labour has tried to offset things like cost of living, housing, health but there is soo much to do.

[–] Mojojojo1993@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Business in my opinion. My very very controversial opinion. Business is a cancer. It's the worst thing to happen to humanity since money was invented.

Business looks to squeeze everything to profit the few. Maybe stop looking to greed and start getting the basics. Housing food security.

You can rape pillage and destroy the planet for profit. Won't help.yhe majority though.

But that's just my incorrect opinion

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[–] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thats disappointing as I don't think national gives a shit at all. I suspect the tax cuts with the current cost of living got national through, but it does nothing to move the country ahead.

[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I suspect nothing about what National offered was what did it, other than the fact they were not Labour. I fully believe that the majority of people vote without knowing what policies they are voting for.

[–] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh God, are we going to get our Trump?

[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 6 points 1 year ago

We get the government we deserve.

[–] mojojojo@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I found that too. Any political conversation I had this cycle were basically: "Winston for the shit stir" or "Lifelong (insert party) voter". Nobody I spoke to really knew any policy.

[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 9 points 1 year ago

I've been mentioning the cool Act policies in passing to people I talk with. No one knew that they want to remove all building standards, repeal the act that sets our carbon reduction targets, or allow employers to call everyone contractors to get around employee protections and so they don't have to pay annual/sick leave, etc. I'll be watching the coalition negotiations with interest.

[–] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Yup - "oh why vote for those losers" yet when I asked what they disagree with they have nothing. I feel like alot of nationals vote was "i want something different", a tax cut or lifetime members.

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[–] Xcf456@lemmy.nz 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Cool, we get to watch an national/act government tonight, a no vote in Australia overnight and a genocide tomorrow

[–] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Playing apocalypse bingo over there?

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[–] zout@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

Don't forget the Polish elections tomorrow! It has all the drama of a modern election!

[–] KhanumBallZ@lemmy.nz 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Wait for the special votes. Back in 1999 - The Greens won 7 extra seats from special votes alone.

  • A special voter
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[–] Rangelus@lemmy.nz 11 points 1 year ago
[–] SamC@lemmy.nz 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No party in the MMP era outside Labour/National had ever won more than 1 general electorate seat (i.e. besides the Maori seats) before this election. Now it looks like Act will win 2 and Greens will win 3... that seems like a significant moment.

[–] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I hope NZ wins, but Chris has it in the bag. Unlike that prick Chris.

Edit: not calling Hipkins a prick, but with the result it looks it.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemmy.nz 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Even in his electorate, he didn't win with anywhere near the majority he has had previously. His stretch as PM has really hurt his popularity.

[–] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I think labour is reaping the consequences of protecting the country during covid. They did an amazing job and now its over the country forgot how much their choices did.

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[–] z2k_@lemmy.nz 8 points 1 year ago

Funnily enough there is probably a chance Chris loses

[–] Mojojojo1993@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago
[–] Ilovethebomb@lemmy.nz 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

It's looking like Blue Chris will win, a disappointing result for Red Chris.

Serious though, this is a huge shift from last election, almost a 25% drop. And it looks like Winnie will be out in the cold, thankfully.

[–] Munkisquisher@lemmy.nz 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's the least inspiring election I've ever seen. Literally had no idea who was the least worst option stepping into the booth

[–] Axisential@lemmy.nz 7 points 1 year ago

That's the heart of it right there. There was simply no right choice.

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[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If you look at the cumulative votes graph, you'll see there are a lot less voters this election. It makes me wonder what the shift would look like if everyone voted (or, what are the key demographics for people who don't vote).

[–] SamC@lemmy.nz 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Younger people usually much less likely to vote, and also tend to vote for the left, especially Greens. So yeah, it would make a huge difference most likely.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemmy.nz 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Greens have done surprisingly well so far though, although largely at Labour's expense, it seems.

[–] SamC@lemmy.nz 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

They've done well, but I think they would really want to be in the 13-15% range. Still, looks like they'll pick up 2-3 electorates, which would be huge.

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[–] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Which is quite disappointing consider the massive investment the future requires. Uni, health, general education and environmental funding just aren't there and we are the ones who will be affected.

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[–] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 5 points 1 year ago

Wow it sucks that TOP didn't do better; but what sucks even more is that NZ Loyal got 1.15%; the crazys were out in force this year.

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Its seems like a lot of area seats were lost because left wing votes were split between labour and greens which allowed national to snag it.

[–] RegalPotoo@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, FPP for the electorate vote is kinda bullshit. Ranked preference would be way fairer

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[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 3 points 1 year ago

I was about to try and point out that a party vote for greens is actually a party vote for a greens+labour coalition.

Then realised that you're referring to electorate votes.

Derp.

[–] SamC@lemmy.nz 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hmm, there does seem to be a reasonably strong break towards Labour in the later counted votes. It could mean National end up with as low as 38% (especially after specials). If TPM win 5 seats, there'd be 122 MPs with overhang. That could mean National/Act will fall just short of a majority and require support from NZF.

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[–] TagMeInSkipIGotThis@lemmy.nz 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So going on how things changed as voters were counted, it would appear that the early voting broke more for Nat / Act, and then the day of voting broke for Lab / G. NZF & TPM stayed relatively consistent throughout the night. This makes sense, blue-collar working people are somewhat more likely to vote Labour than National, and are less likely to have time to get to one of the fewer advance voting posts, than the typically white-collar / retired voters who are somewhat more likely to vote for the right.

The vote totals have now tightened up considerably on whether National can form a government with just Act; such that I am interested to know how many overseas / special votes there might be, and if any of them have been counted yet. If there's enough of them, and they tipped more Labour/Green than National then it might be enough to pull another vote from the right to the left, and given Parliament has an overhang this term Luxon would need to pick up the phone to someone to get an outright majority, at least on confidence & supply.

Another big talking point for me is that one in every twenty voters this election has no representation in Parliament at all due to the threshold requirements for minor parties.

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