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We're in the 21st century, and the vast majority of us still believe in an utterly and obviously fictional creator deity. Plenty of people, even in developed countries with decent educational systems, still believe in ghosts or magic (e.g. voodoo). And I--an atheist and a skeptic--am told I need to respect these patently false beliefs as cultural traditions.

Fuck that. They're bad cultural traditions, undeserving of respect. Child-proofing society for these intellectually stunted people doesn't help them; it is in fact a disservice to them to pretend it's okay to go through life believing these things. We should demand that people contend with reality on a factual basis by the time they reach adulthood (even earlier, if I'm being completely honest). We shouldn't be coddling people who profess beliefs that are demonstrably false, simply because their feelings might get hurt.

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[–] cannibalia@slrpnk.net 10 points 1 year ago

As an atheist who grew up in the buckle of the biblebelt, Christians often took this exact attitude to our ilk and it fucking sucked to live with.

[–] TheHottub@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago
[–] centof@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago (10 children)

How is respect in this context any different than tolerance?

I think dismissing people based on their beliefs is essentially saying I should only value the opinions(tolerate) of those who agree with me. Taken to the extreme that could easily lead to anyone with 'bad' beliefs being forcibly reeducated. Sound familiar?

[–] Gabu@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

If you "dismiss" the "belief" of gravity, I can drop a bowling ball on your head and you'll quickly be reminded of it. If I dismiss the existence of a god, literally nothing happens anywhere and nothing you do can change that.

[–] cedarmesa@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)
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[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 year ago

Don't confuse belief with religion. Those are fundamentally different concepts. Personal belief is harmless. Noone really knows, so when i believe god X exists, then all is fine.

Religion is a cult where people are normalized and told to believe what the "real" belief should be. And dare not to challenge it! And dare not to leave it!

One is harmless and a personal quest to find truth or meaning in the universe, the other a political instrument to rule sheep into submission. And the one that preaches to be good is the real evil.

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[–] stewie3128@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

I have a religious nutjob in my family now (dad remarried to one).

I've never had a Facebook account, but my wife sees the stuff said RWNJ posts, and finally asked me to comment on the latest hate post.

I'll admit it, I went on a tirade, because what she was posting was actively harmful. So I went back six months and gave all her similar posts a similar treatment.

I won't however, say anything on her posts where she just voices a belief in God or that the end times are coming. That's just trumpeting her stupidity.

She went dark on Facebook for 5 days, then yesterday picked back up, but this time seems to be sticking to just voicing her opinions, and not platforming awful shit. We'll see how w long that lasts...

[–] Darcranium@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Close... The Bible was never the problem. It's the way people use it and claim to represent religion but do so in such a hateful way. I'm looking at you incendiary YouTube accounts, Tiktok, Instagram, Facebook, and even Reddit

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[–] Therealgoodjanet@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (14 children)

it is in fact a disservice to them to pretend it's okay to go through life believing these things.

Can you help me understand why is it a disservice?

[–] snek_boi@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

I don't know about their reasoning, but I wonder if they refer to opportunity cost. By doing something unproven, it can harm life. By ignoring reality instead of facing it, life costs more.

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