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[–] doofer_name@feddit.de 84 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I hate point 2 and 3.

I have an avarage travel of 45-55 minutes from my home city to the city I work in. By car and by train, while the train is usually on the slower end. It takes about 20-30 minutes to get from my home to the train station by taking the bus or riding the bike. When taking the bus I also have to factor in about 15 minutes between arrival at the station and departure of the train. Then there is another 20 minutes from the train station at destination to my place of work. So it takes me 40-65 minutes longer taking the train… twice a day, making it 1:20-2:10h a day (when Im lucky bc trains over here have frequent delays). One hour ish doesn’t sound like much? Well you’ll feel it if you working 11-12h a shift or a 9-10 hour a day in a normal 9 to 5 job (starting work at around 7 a.m.).

Then there is a neat little think called night or late shifts. There is no way I’m gonna take the train here. They either take an hour longer or the bus at my home city does not drive anymore on the way back.

Demand better public transportation. Demand functioning trains and frequent bus and tram connections. But do not tell people that need to take the car for whatever reason, that they should just take the worse option and make them feel like the problem.

I hate cars. I hate driving. And I love taking the train or taking the bike within my city. But sometimes I just have to take the car. That is not my fault tho, since public transportation is not the main focus of politics over here. And thats what needs to change globally.

[–] zerofk@lemm.ee 21 points 1 year ago (16 children)

When I switched from using the bus to going by bike, i cut my commute time by more than half. If I were to take the car, it would halve again. Public transport is great, and necessary. But it will never be faster than a personal car for anything but large distances.

[–] Flumsy@feddit.de 47 points 1 year ago (5 children)

... where you live. Where I live (in central Europe) we have a subway every 2-3 minutes and you're at worst 2 blocks away from a stop. It all depends on the infrastructure. A subway cant be stuck in traffic...

[–] pimeys@lemmy.nauk.io 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yep. Here in Berlin traveling to my old office (when I didn't work from home all the time) with the S or U-bahn took 30-35 minutes and by car/taxi about 40-45 minutes due to the traffic.

[–] TheFriendlyDickhead@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago

Berlin is one of the few german cities where public transport is done right. In cologne, where I lived, there are a lot of stops, but the inferstructure is just realy bad. They managed that trains get stuck in traffic too sometimes. And for some reason they trains only arrive in a 10-30min time window. So if you want to follow one line it's relatively fine, but if you have to change trains you have to be lucky. In the city center still faster than driving though.

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[–] bandario@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 year ago

If I rode my bike to work, my shift would be over by the time I got there. I'm really starting to like the idea of biking to work.

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[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I tried taking my family out on a weekend on transit. 40 minutes wait for a bus that had any room, an hour to travel 10km, and it cost us $10 each way for the family. I live in a major city but our transit is trash. It's not fit for a city of this size.

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[–] DuncanIdaho@lemmy.world 62 points 1 year ago

In the UK in the 1960s the Government fabricated "evidence" about train use so they could cut about 70% of the railways and sell the land on. It was known as the Beeching Report iirc.

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago

This is one of my favourite meme format for some reason.

[–] Stuka@lemmy.ml 46 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This memes community should be named 'Wannabe Activitists"

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[–] histic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 1 year ago (24 children)

I'd love to see someone bring a shopping cart amount of groceries on a bus or train

[–] sheogorath@lemmy.world 90 points 1 year ago (68 children)

You don't. If you live where cars are not needed, e.g. Tokyo, you'll just walk to your nearest small grocer and get the ingredients you need. That's what I did when I stayed in Japan for work.

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[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The reason you haul entire shopping carts at once is because the trip to the grocery store is a big planned deal. That’s also the reason people buy bulk items and then let half of them expire.

The “ideal” for bikers and train riders would be easier, quicker trips to small stores to get ingredients for the next few days. I find I’m able to fit most of my needs into one pannier.

[–] BareMetalSkirt@lemmy.kya.moe 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This changes sharply if you're buying for more people than just yourself.

The reason I haul entire shopping carts at once is because I don't want to waste time shopping every day. A big 2-hour haul per month vs. 1-2 20-minute trips to the local corner konbini every day. Plus some of the bigger bulk stores deliver (this is Hinode, Tokyo; rural ones probably don't).

Buying in bulk is far less expensive: you pay less (duh), but you spend a lot less time on it too. If I'm buying groceries just-in-time and the nearest shop doesn't have the ingredient I need that day, I have to go to a different shop for that one item. Lots of time wasted, and a lot of stress on top. You can't change your mind later either, because you've already bought ingredients for that one meal. So I prefer to have things buffered in stock, and resupply in advance. You also use far less plastic packaging that way, e.g. buying a 25-liter premix syrup canister instead of hundreds of coke bottles.

[–] JimmyMcGill@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not to mention that the grocery stores that are well located are usually more expensive. The cheaper options exist in less number and so it makes it less convenient or sometimes not possible at all to get to on a normal work day.

You can save a lot of money that way.

And I’m in Europe FYI.

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[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 year ago

I've done that. You just bring something appropriate to carry it in.

Although now that I live closer to a smaller grocer, I just walk twice.

[–] rallatsc@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I will say that I've been able to bring 3-4 grocery bags onto a bus, which is enough to last me around 2 weeks. I've done this fairly consistently (basically whenever it's too cold/snowy to bike) for the last couple years. It might not be possible for a family without more than one person making the trip, but for an individual it can definitely work.

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[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Am from Germany and went to Nuremburg to visit a convention.
The public transit is night and day between those two places.
Only had to wait about <10min for the next bus.
I believe the accomodation is not very outside or inside of the transit serving area but it is surprising what a subway and a good schedule can do for one.

[–] SternburgExport@feddit.de 14 points 1 year ago (27 children)

I love cars and I love driving but commuting by car just sucks in every possible way.

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[–] workerONE@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"Stop driving cars because places were not supposed to be driven to." Wow that's a good point /s

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Engineers designed these roads, not urbanist.

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