I mean I'd say organizing to overthrow the socioeconomic system causing climate change is the most productive thing you can do but I suppose that does involve taking to people yes.
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It’s not the system it’s the corporations. The government telling coke and Pepsi to stop using plastic would do more for climate change and the environment in a month than if everyone recycled all plastics forever
The fact that a few companies can cause that much pollution is still proof that the system is shit in my opinion.
It's many things coming together.
It's governments not regulating properly, capitalism demanding infinite growth, and consumers mindlessly consuming which creates demand.
There's lots of avenues for change, and we should follow all of them at the same time.
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If you think government decisions are independent of corporations, you've not been paying attention ( US, UK, but pretty much every other state on the planet).
They are both part of the same system designed to keep you working for their profit, and they both need getting rid of.
You have a source for this? Because i want this to be true. Otherwise I can just say something also unfounded and preposterous and make it sound true, such as: it's not the system, it's the semen. The government telling femboys and twinks to stop being cute would do more for climate change and the environment in a month than if everyone wore thigh-high socks forever.
Lets assume you use the "Power of the consumer" to only buy products that are environment friendly.
Then you will soon notice that your power does not exist. If you don't have alternatives then thr only option is not to buy. This might work for luxury but when you buy food and there is only heavily plastic wrapped food then you will buy that one.
Also it will be hard to convince all other humans to consume more expensive alternatives.
Especially if the environment friendly alternative is basically cheaper to produce.
Of course you will need governmental regulations on this shit! The system won't fix itself.
It's not, let's be real. It's global apathy against a bunch of rich assholes that laugh at us when we say pretty much anything in the realm of truth, because muh profits. Short of either a worldwide organizational effort to radically change the course of the world that requires a universal shift in consciousness to ensure our survival and eventual prosperity, or burn it all down and try again yet be destined to repeat the same mistakes because we suck at history, we're kinda fucked.
unfortunately; yes.
That also gets you sudicided figuratively and literally, the assholes are smart
Frankly based on the numbers outright, the most useful thing you can do is murder a billionaire. If it becomes a trend or a meme to do so it's the only thing I can see having any effect. Fear & public accountability is really the only skeleton that holds the body of voting power together. If government & corporations are'nt afraid of their people, then they're not beholden to them.
Harassing politicians can help too! Shit on their lawn. Create a group of political lawn shitters
I only see direct harassment as efficient, or even functional, if it produces fear. Fear is the only thing that influences these people's decisions over money and power. It's really the basis of the people's power. Fear that we'll get too angry.
Shoutout to the homies at the Citizen's Climate Lobby, where you can take like 5 minutes to fill in a mostly pre-written message to your reps and tell them to fucking act on climate legislation. Dunno if it's cool to post links, but this just takes you to it with no hassle (also don't trust strangers' links on the internet; you can google "citizens climate lobby write congress" and get to the same destination):
If you're doing nothing else about climate change, at least do this. You've got five fucking minutes to spare to help sound the alarm bell if you're browsing a comment section. Don't be a doomer who doesn't actually do anything, otherwise you're just ruining your own day for no reason.
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You know what the difference is between the climate crisis and the ozone layer that the author of that video so thoughtlessly compares? We learned of the ozone layer, and the entire world banded together and stopped using the products that caused it. We’ve known about climate change for longer than we did the ozone layer. We know definitively what causes it. Yet, in all of that time, none of the causes have gone down. Fossil fuels? Used at record levels every year. Cattle? More and more every year.
I’m still watching the video, so I may edit with more thoughts, but that was just a GARBAGE comparison to start off with. If we wanted to do the same with climate change as we did with the ozone, we’d NEED to degrow the economy. Activists have been and are talking about this, for decades now. This isn’t doomerism. It’s a wake up call. There’s no magic solution for climate change. There is only one solution at all: STOP USING FOSSIL FUELS AND ENGAGING IN MASS ANIMAL ~~GENOCIDE~~ AGRICULTURE. That’s it. If we do that, we survive. If we don’t, we don’t. The same is if we hadn’t banned CFCs, the ozone hole would be bigger.
Edit: already, he’s ignoring the growth of natural gas because coal is going down.
I had more written for another edit, but I’m not even going to finish this video. This is ridiculous. Yeah, blame 8 billion individuals, the majority of which live in massive poverty and have little to no Choice where they get their products, who are overworked and underpaid, scraping by by the skin of their knees. Yes, it’s their fault that they have no choice in their lives other than to sell themselves into serfdom or starve on the streets, not the systems that fail to provide safety nets, livable wages, adequate regulations, or even basic human rights to many of its people. It’s the Paupers fault for buying from the Prince, not the Kings fault that he allowed the Prince to crush all of his competition and create such conditions in the first place. What a hack.
You just want to continue dooming so that you can only cry and be angry at the world, because nothing can fill the void in your life other then anger and sadness.
Nah, I just get tired of idiots like that fellow putting out blatant misinformation and slanted coverage. Dude is harming society with his content if even one person believes that drivel.
Fun fact, I don’t have a “void In my life”, I have young family that are growing up in this world, and they’ve got idiots like you trying to ensure they don’t have a livable climate when they grow up. That’s where my anger comes from, and why I will never sit down and shut up. Idgaf if you personally have a livable climate. From your posts here, neither do you. I do care about children suffering because people like you refuse to take this thing seriously and believe in techno-capitalist hopium.
The IPCC report is actually outdated and conservative in its estimates. It definitively asserts that even were all currently committed to climate goals met, which they aren’t, billions of people will suffer.
I tried that while I hadn't given up yet, people don't listen.
The Chinese and US militaries are amongst the largest polluters on the planet by a significant order of magnitude due to their fuel demands, and yet you want me to drink from a paper straw like I'm going to make a fucking difference.
The paper straws are to protect wildlife, not the climate
Yeah, but they constantly market it as some magical climate elixir and completely ignore that it only saves some animals from being in pain.
I have only ever seen it advertised as environment protection. Not a Merican tho
I think that has a lot to do with most climate related talking points being about personal responsibility and how "every little helps" while ignoring the pollution spewing monsters that are militaries and corporation chugging along in the background (and this is, of course, by design - get the people pointing fingers at each other while those at the top continue to exploit us all and destroy the planet).
So it doesn't only feel futile, it is futile to try and change individuals, when those actually responsible do nothing to change their ways lest they bring in 1 billion in profit instead of 5. No amount of recycling, taking a bus, going vegan, or even going completely zero waste is going to actually change anything (nothing wrong with those things, still do them if you like, I do some myself, but be realistic about the impact. For truly impactful change, the whole thing need abolishing, there is no reforming a system that is working exactly as intended.).
Step 1: make it a personal responsibility
Step 2: when people suggest taking personal responsibility, yell : "muh freedom!" And: "are you a commie???" To not take that responsibility.
Pretty much. They just do whatever it takes to stop us from looking behind the curtain.
Oh shit thank you for reminding me. This idea that it's our individual responsibility to prevent climate change rather than our largest producers/manufactures was a goddamn marketing ploy in the 1920s. It was spear headed by disposable companies like Dixie as people were getting more upset about littering, the public thought companies making one use items was incredibly wasteful and the reason for an abundance of litter in city areas. With the companies PR efforts, they were able to convince the general public that it's not the producers of the litter that cause the problem, but the people who use it. We had a chance to kill the disposable industry and we missed it, I hope it comes back around some day.
Everything is temporary. Let's just enjoy our lives while we're here.
I don't mean this as an excuse to make the situation worse, but I would rather live thinking positively than waste my time and effort stressing and being depressed. A person that stressed out can't effectively help solve the problem anyway, so why not be happy in the present while also building solutions for the future.
We’ve past the point where we have the space to look for solutions in the future. We need solutions NOW. Every single day that people spend not thinking about how fucked we are is another in which we become even more fucked. Anger is a tool, use it. Get everyone you know angry. When angry people come together, they’re far more powerful than any group of people pushing for civility politics. Anger is not a bad emotion. No emotions are bad. Seeking to feel happiness all the time is seeking to stick your head in the sand.
Your comment reminds me of MLKs white moderate bit, in that it seems you prefer the absence of tension to the positive peace of Justice.
I totally get the frustration with people like me, but I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree. Over the years I've learned my capacity for anger, and I choose to try to be happy instead.
Keep fighting the good fight, though. I have no doubt the world will come around to your point of view given time.
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