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[–] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 13 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

Yes, you can recycle plastic. Yes, its complex due to different types and grades of it. The only responsibility of the consumer is to put it into the right bin.

Yes, the corporations creating plastic products should do more. It doesn't have to be financially feasible to recycle it, It needs to be ecologically feasible and companies producing plastic products should pay the recycling toll.

We can also just burn it for energy like we do with tires... I recycle it like a good little cog in the machine because even if 5% of it gets back into product and not into my penis, is a win.

[–] TheOakTree@lemm.ee 6 points 3 hours ago

We need to make it financially feasible to properly recycle plastics by making it so damn expensive for companies to be wasteful with plastics. Among many other things, of course.

I doubt it will happen in our lifetimes, though.

[–] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

95% of microplastics going to your penis is considered a win?

[–] foggianism@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

It adds to the firmness.

[–] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

I take 95 over 100 but if you want a plastic dick, have at it haha

[–] optissima@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I need to clean it to a concerning degree as well or risk being fined.

Also, where do those burned plastic fumes go after being burned also matter and I'm not confident they're not just being sent straight back to my lungs.

[–] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

I don't have a problem with cleaning tbh. It's not required here but I just feel icky if I put a yogurt stained container into the bin.

With burning, it must be done at very high temperatures to ensure the resulting gasses get burned as well. Here I generally ment collect plastic and send it to a facility which has furnaces which can accommodate this kind of waste (like rubber tires).

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 20 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

One of the many other problems with recycling besides this tidbit, is the fact that most people don't even follow the first two instructions before recycling. Nobody reuses anything and nobody has reduced their consumption.

[–] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

There's a bulk food store near me and it allows BYO containers (or you can use one of their compostable bags). It's great! A little bit more work (you need to tare your/container write down the empty weight), but you get your goods in the container of your choice.

[–] WorldlyCaregiver@beehaw.org 2 points 6 hours ago

That would be a zero waste store, there are a few of those around. To find one, this website has an overly generous list of such stores in the United States. Many of the stores listed are not actually zero waste stores though (i.e. Natural Pantry). So for those who want to use that list to find a zero-waste store, it is important to note the stores near them and go to them one by one (or look them up) to see if they are zero-waste and what they offer. If a suitable store is found, then some groceries can be bought without disposable packaging.

This does come at a price, though. The store I use has prices that are, on average, about 3 times higher per unit weight than the bargain brand at a regular store. I can afford that, and for some consumers an organic/local/premium/etc. quality is worth it, but many people cannot afford it. The current system of excessive single-use packaging is unfortunately very labor-efficient (which is why it was adopted in the first place), and that shows in the prices.

[–] millie@beehaw.org 4 points 11 hours ago

Too far. Too far.

It's on now.

[–] SARGE@startrek.website 102 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Every time I hear someone complain about a single tiny piece of plastic on the ground or someone uses slightly more than needed cling wrap, all I can think of is the couple of warehouses I used to work in a couple jobs ago.

Everything comes on pallets wrapped in about a dozen layers of cling wrap. 8-10ft tall pallets.

Every box gets opened, the items pulled out of a large plastic bag, each item wrapped in its own plastic bag.

Those items get put in other boxes, stacked on a different pallet, and wrapped in another dozen layers of plastic wrap.

The pallets get moved to a temporary spot for a few hours, then someone comes up and curs all the wrap off. Moves the boxes onto 4 other pallets, and each of those goes to a separate forklift driver who puts them on shelves.

When the item leaves, it's placed in plastic bags, then a box, then goes on a pallet that gers wrapped in a dozen layers of plastic wrap. Onto the truck for shipping elsewhere.

They have a truck that comes twice a day to replace a shipping container filled with plastic.

So much plastic, every day, all day, they only close for Christmas and 4th of July.

Am I still going to use anything but plastic wherever possible? Sure. Am I still going to pick up that piece of plastic and put it in the recycling bin? Absolutely.

Companies suck and will blame you for their shitty treatment just like every abuser does.

[–] nickiwest@lemmy.world 12 points 14 hours ago

You're exactly correct. I used to work in a manufacturing environment, and the amount of single-use plastic our production team used on a daily basis was staggering. I would estimate that company created as much plastic waste in one day as my household did in three months.

Consumer recycling or boycotts is only a drop in the bucket. Industry will have to shift away from single-use plastic if we're going to have any chance of saving ourselves from a future filled with generations worth of garbage.

[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 32 points 22 hours ago

Me rinsing the yogurt container before putting it in the recycling bin vs reading that a Belgian airline had 3000 empty flights just to keep airport slots

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/brussels-airlines-empty-flights-lufthansa-b1987187.html

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago (5 children)

I don't think plastic waste is specific to capitalism.

[–] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 1 points 21 minutes ago

It would be taxed for the irreparable harm on the environment and required to compensate fully all damage to nature if it were not for lobbying, a demonic ritual at the center of capitalism. Almost no other nation allow open bribery and lawmaking to corporations in exchange for money. It's counter productive and immoral

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[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (2 children)

Recycling is chemically possible at very high temperatures and pressures; it's just energy intensive and wasn't financially feasible until just about now, when solar energy can offer cheap energy.

We'll see how this will develop in the future. For the point of oil consumption (and therefore CO2 emission), plastics is only like 3% of oil consumption anyways (other 97% is fuel for vehicles). For the point of pollution, you don't need recycling, just collecting and combusting at high temperatures (to fully oxydize it and not leave any toxic fumes.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 22 hours ago

We recently built a plastic recycling facility here in sweden which recycles.. 12 types of plastic i think? several of which were basically not possible before.

so yeah it's definitely possible to recycle plastics, countries have just been refusing to actually take measures to make it happen.

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[–] sumguyonline@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

Plastic can be recycled. Adding high quality synthetic oil into poor quality plastic can completely restore it's potential for use. HOWEVER! The main and mind consuming problem with plastic: plants can't grow in microplatics. Test it out, grind up plastic, put it in a bowl, and plant a seed in it, use growth hormones, use plant food, use whatever you like. The plant will sprout and die shortly after. It will never flower. Meaning once the Earths soil becomes statistically enough microplastic particles, crops won't grow, any new plants in nature will never reach maturity. Complete decaying death of the natural world because a purified compound that is incompatible with life, has been ground up and spread all over the globe. That's the fear of microplastics. That and the long term impact on people that get exposed to high enough concentrations that plants can't grow... Likely dehydrate to death as the body won't be able to absorb micro plastic laden water. You can also test that at home, but I do not recommend drinking micro plastic heavy water to see what it might be like for your grand kids.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 17 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Got a source for that?

Because you can grow plants just fine in hydroponics. Plastic trays. Plastic tubing. Nutrient mixture. Plastic everywhere.

I think plants would grow just fine in plastic given the correct nutrients.

[–] gamer@lemm.ee 5 points 14 hours ago

Life, uh, finds a way.

[–] Timecircleline@sh.itjust.works 6 points 15 hours ago

But plants can grow in plastic containers in just water

[–] countrypunk@slrpnk.net 5 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I wonder if plants will evolve to deal with the increased microplastics or if there'd be a way to filter it out of soil. Life is always adapting. The most obvious solution is to quit manufacturing plastic but that's looking increasingly unlikely.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 2 points 15 hours ago

Or we could just manufacture different plastics that degrade.

[–] dumnezero@piefed.social 16 points 1 day ago (18 children)
[–] _bac@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

Its simple. Make the plastics manufacturers pay for 100% of gathering, sorting and recycling of the hazardous waste they priduce, including plastics. That would make plastic containers expensive and we would come up with alternatives.

[–] gon@lemm.ee 58 points 1 day ago (7 children)

For the harm that's already been done? Time.

For the future? Regulation.

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[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 29 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Get rid of them. I was very young but existed in the 70's and the grocery store did not have all the plastics and there was plenty of convenience in foods. Its amazing what glass, paper, and aluminum can do. Glass was not even recycled usually. Had a deposit added to the cost and got it back when you returned it to the store where the person supplying the item took them back and they were washed and reused. It was why bottle caps were so prevalent.

[–] Jayjader@jlai.lu 12 points 1 day ago (3 children)

glass was not even recycled usually

Yeah, we would reuse it (as the order implies in reduce, reuse, recycle). Recycling glass takes wayyyyyyy more energy than cleaning it. But the glass makers benefit more from access to cheap broken glass, so we get them lobbying so that glass recycling drop-off/containers almost force you to shatter every bottle you put into them...

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