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[–] archonet@lemy.lol 9 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I imagine it's because their use is evident (no need to advertise what they do, since they've been common in households for the past half century), and they've likely peaked in terms of function. You can't really improve much beyond what we have now, the last great advancement in the microwave was probably the turntable for consumer units, and the moving fields that commercial units have. You're limited in power output by the outlet you plug it into, so "faster cooking" is a no-go (unless you stuck a 240v plug on the end, and good luck getting that to fly with your average consumer in the US, we already find those annoyingly sparse for dryers and ovens and such) -- what else can you innovate to differentiate your microwave from every other microwave on the market?

[–] swizzlestick@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 day ago (11 children)

what else can you innovate to differentiate your microwave from every other microwave on the market?

My ideal microwave:

  • 800W, always full power
  • A dial to set the time/make it go
  • Pull door to open, not pushy-button-open-nonsense

I have never needed to use power variation, defrost settings, popcorn button, or any of the other junk.

Innovate through simplicity. Less features means less to go wrong, and cost savings that can be put into either making it cheap or improving component quality.

[–] Anamnesis@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Also, a single fucking ding when it's done. I don't need it to beep five fucking times goddamnit I HEARD YOU

[–] swizzlestick@lemmy.zip 2 points 23 hours ago

Ours screams on completion. Even when you stop/open the door, it will 'sing' the whole song....

For a dial, Ding is assumed :)

[–] ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

You want a commercial microwave, basically, except the wattage will often be higher. Try restaurant auctions for a cheap(er) one

[–] Dozzi92@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

My mother picked up what can only be a commercial microwave for her house. More than 30s and your food is on fire. The sweet spot is so incredibly small that I can't for the life of me get food that's a comfortable temperature out of it. I clearly do not have the credentials to operate a commercial microwave. Good band, though.

[–] swizzlestick@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Most I've seen are the 1000W, 1200W+ monsters with triple digit prices - even 2nd hand.

Just need a regular home microwave (ours was £30 with the useless features), but dumber 😅

I'd modify our own existing one but the jank would not be safe nor attractive...

[–] RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Is 1000w a monster? Half of my microwave food asks for 1000w

[–] tiramichu@lemm.ee 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

800W is very much a standard for a home microwave in the UK and what the average consumer would expect. 1000W is also popular, though.

As for the food, it doesn't "ask" for 1000W - rather it tells you the time for 1000W, and it is up to you the consumer to add or remove time based on the power of your own appliance.

Part of the reason food manufacturers like to stipulate 1000W on microwave meals is so that they can advertise "Ready in 2 mins!" on the front of the carton - that time being made shorter with higher microwave power - so it's in their marketing interests to calibrate against a higher wattage.

Cooking food on lower power for longer can sometimes give better results, as you will get a more even heating and reduce hot/cold spots.

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[–] swizzlestick@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Might be the area.

Our current is only 700W and rarely will you find instructions that go that low. It's old and cheap. Most things assume 800-900 and don't list anything higher.

1000W seems to be the turnover point here. Can still get a domestic at that range, but they are a little rarer. Also pricier and often part of a combi grill/convection unit.

[–] Beacon@fedia.io 2 points 1 day ago

In the US 1000W is the norm for home microwaves, and there are commonly available ones that are 1200W

https://ecocostsavings.com/microwave-wattage/

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (6 children)

popcorn button

I discovered the existence of those on online forums, it literally blew my mind. Manufacturers engineering microphones in microwaves because US people can't be arsed to stay for two fucking minutes next to the oven. Fucking unbelievable.

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[–] untorquer@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

All i care about is that it's stupid. After that, 1000W and a +30s button.

My current microwave has a dial with 5deg rotation per minute. So hitting 30s often just turns it off. Was super cheap though so 🤷

[–] swizzlestick@lemmy.zip 2 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Must be a proper chunky dial that actually controls the circuit then.

I like that, but would also accept 'cook by wire' where the dial sets a time digitally. Cost would go up though...

[–] untorquer@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

Yeah it's a mechanical switch

Honestly if the only control on the thing was the door switch and a +30s button I'd be soo happy LMAO

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[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I briefly rented an apartment with a microwave that was also a toast oven. Grandet, it had a dumb, slow, digital screen to control. But it was really nice inside. There was no turn table but still heated everything evenly, and due to its size, it was much more efficient that a normal oven at baking. The door also opened forward like an oven.

That is to say, I agree with you thst I want a dumb dial, but there are some nice features out there that I wouldn't mind having.

[–] Dozzi92@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Hold up. Most of what you described was just a toaster oven. You're saying it used microwaves but could also toast? I need to see this magic machine.

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 21 hours ago

I have to assume it had the equipment of both but putting heating elements inside a microwave chamber sounds like an interesting problem.

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 22 hours ago

Yup. I've never seen it before. A toast oven that is also a microwave. But instead of a dial to select the mode, you have to go through a touch menu 🤮

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Pretty much agree, would probably prefer 700w myself. Get rid of the damn clock too. There are commercial grade ovens like this. The consumer ones are packed full of total crap (looking at you motorized rotational platter). I've always wondered why a couple of infrared thermometers to allow for a closed loop heat cycle hasn't been done though. I think I'd like that if it worked halfway decently even if just for soup/liquid (more homogeneous).

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[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (3 children)

One could almost say the same thing about cars. But there are ads for those everywhere.

But similarly, you never see an ad for a stove/oven anymore.

I think you’ll occasionally see an ad for a fridge or washer/dryer but it’s usually actually an ad for a local appliance retailer. The manufacturers themselves don’t seem to make ads.

[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I imagine, the difference is that profit margins are higher for cars and they're more of a status symbol, something you're seen publicly with.

[–] lemming741@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Cars are also consumable.

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[–] iii@mander.xyz 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They can rebrand, make it a lifestyle thing. Like how convection ovens got rebranded into airfryer.

[–] mundane@feddit.nu 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The main difference between an airfryer and traditional convection oven is less space to heat (i.e heats up quicker) and the heat is on all the time. A conventional convection oven will cycle the heat on and off. So yeah, the same core technology, but with different tradeoffs.

[–] swizzlestick@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Feels almost obligatory to post this

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Quick question, is there just one "air fryer" manufacturer that sends out blank units to other distributors for branding and final design? Because I've seen dozens of air fryers in my life and they all have almost the exact same shape as the one on the vid's thumbnail dispite being branded entirely different.

[–] swizzlestick@lemmy.zip 1 points 23 hours ago

The model shown is a cheap big store variant. I imagine the design is rebranded 6 ways to Sunday depending on who's buying.

[–] untorquer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Even at 50% efficient 110V on a 20A breaker is 1100W. I only have guesses as to why 700 or 800W is the standard for the cheapest models.

[–] SGGeorwell@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

But ours has four doors and wheels!

[–] superfes@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Great Caesar's ghost!

[–] rauls4@lemm.ee 0 points 1 day ago
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