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Hi folks! I'm here with another idea. Let's make an amazon alternative. I know! I know! That was asked for a couple times already but lets discuss some details.

Amazon is basically glorified dropshipping by now. What if we just made federated (not sure if over activitypub would work) ads and sales, powered by fediseer (the "trust" network of the fediverse).

Example 1: So you buy at toms groceries, you trust them. they have experience with tina's hardware store and they trust them. so you can buy both toms and tinas wares on both sites.

Example 2: So for example, I run a small business that sells computers. You run a small business that sells mice and keyboards. I have worked with you before so I mark you as trusted in my local website, which federates with yours, showing your products in my shop. If a customer buys my computer and buys your keyboard on top, my site sends you a buy order with customer address and payment. I get a small fee for my electricity of say 1%.

Can someone try and poke holes in this idea? It feels like this could work!

Have a nice weekend.

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[–] MxRemy@piefed.social 21 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (7 children)

Closest we've got right now is Flohmarkt, right? If they haven't already been working on some kinda trust system, they're probably taking code contributions. I saw somewhere else somebody suggested Loops integration for it, so they could have something like the tiktok shop. I mean capitalism is garbage, but unfortunately we do currently gotta buy stuff occasionally, and it would be nice if that experience sucked less.

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[–] PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The best idea I can come up with is a federated marketplace. Each vendor has their own instance. Buyers can browse the marketplace and have a unified checkout experience. Vendors would have unified product posts so whichever vendor has the best price or fastest shipping (user preference) would get the sale. USPS for example has shipping zones which determine the price for shipping depending on distance.

The best example I can come up with is rockauto. They are a central marketplace of different auto parts suppliers. You can find parts that are in the same location in order to combine shipping.

If you put a part in your cart it will then show parts that are in the same warehouse.

Thats pretty straightfoward. I like it. Combined shipping can make sense. Thanks for participating.

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 14 points 2 days ago (10 children)

This is surprisingly one of the few actual useful uses of blockchain. Business tried to shove it in everywhere and it didn't make sense because blockchain is a way to audit federated separate instances - which businesses are not. They're a single monolithic structure, and they don't need the trust - they already have it. They're themselves, they just have to trust their own internal teams.

We, on the otherhand, are the perfect use for it. A way to say X person paid Y person for this product on this day at this time, X person now has the authority to rate Y person for how they did. Immutable, impossible to fake.

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[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 15 points 2 days ago

Ideas are cheap. This is the third post like this I've seen in two weeks. Build it.

[–] aramis87@fedia.io 11 points 2 days ago (3 children)

How do you handle returns, defective merchandise, warranties? If I buy something from you and something goes wrong with it, I'm not going to like being fobbed off with "hey, go talk to Tina". If they return-ship something to you instead of Tina, who pays to ship it back to Tina?

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[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (7 children)

The problem they (should/did) solve was scamming, and payments. So you'd need to have some banking system with locked money, disputes etc. IMO that is the complicated part, the rest is just more or less a searchable database.

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[–] vxx@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I like the idea and it could work very well for smaller communities. In fact, theyre already doing something similar called "Werbering" (advertising ring) in germany. It takes the idea and elevates it into the digital space.

Thats an interesting bit of information. Thanks! :)

[–] pr06lefs@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I really like the idea of a grassroots Amazon competitor. That said,

You need to have a high level of trust. A federated network of shady scams that just take your money and send you nothing half the time is not going to fly. Is there a vetting process, who controls that process, how's all that work. If its 'good seller' reviews, how are those stats protected from manipulation.

You need to have extreme ease of use. UI barriers that seem trivial to developers can sink a platform.

If there are problems solvable by centralization, maybe that could be done as a cooperative organization which devs and vendors can join and run democratically.

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[–] Porcupine@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

So... Postmates/Instacart but using activitypub for... Some reason?

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