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I'm a tech interested guy. I've touched SQL once or twice, but wasn't able to really make sense of it. That combined with not having a practical use leaves SQL as largely a black box in my mind (though I am somewhat familiar with technical concepts in databasing).

With that, I keep seeing [pic related] as proof that Elon Musk doesn't understand SQL.

Can someone give me a technical explanation for how one would come to that conclusion? I'd love if you could pass technical documentation for that.

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[–] turnitoffandonagain@infosec.pub 14 points 1 week ago

I'm still learning SQL, so if I'm out of line someone please correct me, but, the gist of it, is that SQL (Structured Query Language) is a language used in pretty much all relational databases, which with something like the Social Security database is almost guaranteed. Having duplicates of information in a relational database is not a sign of fraud, or anything shady going on.

When you're born, your name, along with your SSN and any other relevant info is put into the database, later in life, say you change your name, the original name, along with your SSN will stay there, and a new line in the database would be added with your new name, along with your SSN again (a duplicate) that way the database has a reference point between old and new name, and keeps all your information lined up between the two.

If you were to get rid of all of that duplicate information, anyone who's ever had a name change, been married, etc. It will cause chaos in the database, with hundreds of millions of entries that now have no relation to anything, and are now just basically dead ends.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Dedup is about saving storage and has literally nothing to do with primary keys.

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[–] rational_lib@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

To me I'm not really sure what his reply even means. I think it's some attempt at a joke (because of course the government uses SQL), but I figure the joke can be broken down into two potential jokes that fail for different, embarrassing reasons:

Interpretation 1: The government is so advanced it doesn't use SQL - This interpretation is unlikely given that Elon is trying to portray the government as in need of reform. But it would make more sense if coming from a NoSQL type who thinks SQL needs to be removed from everywhere. NoSQL Guy is someone many software devs are familiar with who takes the sometimes-good idea of avoiding SQL and takes it way too far. Elon being NoSQL Guy would be dumb, but not as dumb as the more likely interpretation #2.

Interpretation 2: The government is so backward it doesn't use SQL - I think this is the more likely interpretation as it would be consistent with Elon's ideology, but it really falls flat because SQL is far from being cutting-edge. There has kind of been a trend of moving away from SQL (with considerable controversy) over the last 10 years or so and it's really surprising that Elon seems completely unaware of that.

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[–] Geometrinen_Gepardi@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Rows in a SQL table have a primary key which works as the unique identifier for that row. The primary key can be as simple as an incrementing number.

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[–] TransSynthesist@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

139 comments and no one addresses his use of a slur.

[–] localhost443@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 1 week ago

Because that's really just to be expected at this point, and what his audience would want..

Better to focus on constantly poking at him for being dumb, which he and his fans hate, rather than give them what they want, ie being upset at their hateful language

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[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Frankly the whole exchange sounds like Hollywood tech jargon.vaguely relevant words used in a not quite sensible way....

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

TL;DR de-deuplication in that form is used to refer a technique where you reference two different pieces of data in the file system, with one single piece of data on the drive, the intention being to optimize file storage size, and minimize fragmentation.

You can imagine this would be very useful when taking backups for instance, we call this a "Copy on Write" approach, since generally it works by copying the existing file to a second reference point, where you can then add an edit on top of the original file, while retaining 100% of the original file size, and both copies of the file (its more complicated than this obviously, but you get the idea)

now just to be clear, if you did implement this into a DB, which you could do fairly trivially, this would change nothing about how the DB operates, it wouldn't remove "duplicates" it would only coalesce duplicate data into one single tree to optimize disk usage. I have no clue what elon thinks it does.

The problem here, as a non programmer, is that i don't understand why you would ever de-duplicate a database. Maybe there's a reason to do it, but i genuinely cannot think of a single instance where you would want to delete one entry, and replace it with a reference to another, or what elon is implying here (remove "duplicate" entries, however that's supposed to work)

Elon doesn't know what "de-duplication" is, and i don't know why you would ever want that in a DB, seems like a really good way to explode everything,

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[–] sneaky@r.nf 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Might seem like a stupid question, but I'm in nostupidquestions sooo... Did Elon really do this tweet with the word "retard" in it? Obviously am on Lemmy so don't use Twitter.

[–] moncharleskey@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yep, just another example of what a trash human being he is.

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[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 week ago

Musk is the walking Dunning-Krueger, he is too stupid to realize how terrible he sounds.

[–] TehWorld@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Clearly the solution is to just use a big Excel spreadsheet.

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[–] turtle@lemm.ee 10 points 1 week ago (11 children)

I saw a comment about this in the last couple of days that was really interesting and educational. Unfortunately I can't seem to find it again to link it, but the gist of it was that there would be two things wrong with using SSNs as primary keys in a SQL database:

  • You should not use externally generated data as primary keys
  • You should not use personally identifying data as primary keys

Using SSNs as keys would violate both.

I went looking for best practices regarding SQL primary keys and found this really interesting post and discussion on Stack Overflow:

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/337503/whats-the-best-practice-for-primary-keys-in-tables

My first thought was that people's SSNs can and do change, and sometimes (rarely?) people may have more than one SSN. Like someone mentions in that link, human error would be another reason why you would not want to use external data and particularly SSNs as primary keys.

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[–] jerryh100@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

That dipshit does not even know how his dear friend at Oracle made tons of money in the past decades.

Billionaires are stealing our dollars, tax or otherwise.

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