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I hate people who treat them like some toys and fantasize about them. That makes me think they are in some sort of death cult. That they found socially acceptable way to love violence.

I would still get one for safety but it is a tool made for specifically one thing. To pierce the skin and rip through the inner organs of a person.

They can serve a good purpose but they are fundamentally grim tools of pain and suffering. They shouldn’t be celebrated and glorified in their own right, that is sick. They can be used to preserve something precious but at a price to pay.

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[–] Wooki@lemmy.world 7 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

No, only some are and even then it's not broadly accurate, it's closer to Anthropomorphism.

Weapons are designed from the ground up to kill animals. From birdshot 10g shotgun to bolt action plastic tip single shot rifle.

Assault rifles are a category designed primarily to kill humans

[–] uniquethrowagay@feddit.org 2 points 10 hours ago

Killing animals is pretty shitty as well though

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[–] tcgoetz@lemmy.world 60 points 21 hours ago (9 children)

This seems like a very urban viewpoint. There are still places in the world and in the US in particular where a firearm is tool for safety that has nothing to do with other humans.

[–] earphone843@sh.itjust.works 32 points 20 hours ago (12 children)

Not to mention hunting is a thing.

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[–] Majorllama@lemmy.world 9 points 15 hours ago (6 children)

I mean... Technically they were engineered from the ground up to send a small projectile as far as possible using a chemical reaction.

It just so happens that humans are really sensitive to projectiles hitting them at high speed being made out of mostly water and mush.

Also there are many far north towns all around the world where it's almost mandatory to carry a high powered rifle with you at all times because polar bears will rip your arms off just for the hell of it.

[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Not just for the hell of it. It just so happens that people are made of meat, and meat is delicious.

[–] Majorllama@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I..... Are you trying to imply that cannibalism was a driving force behind the invention of the gun? Lol

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[–] WarlockLawyer@lemmy.world 68 points 22 hours ago (20 children)

Gotta resist fascism somehow

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[–] Scott_of_the_Arctic@lemmy.world 12 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

It's a very American viewpoint. Many countries in Europe have high gun ownership and manage to do so without murdering eachother.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 3 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Many countries in Europe have high gun ownership and manage to do so without murdering [each other].

But can we agree that the not killing is a by-product of not using the gun, instead of using the gun? To re-phrase, the more the gun is used to shoot at something, the higher the chance of something getting hit?

[–] Scott_of_the_Arctic@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

America needs to address the mental health crisis that's endemic in their country. There's also a general lack of firearms safety in the country. I was thought to safely use a rifle when I was 8 and never even came close to killing someone. The problem is that your attitude towards firearms is always framed in terms of defense. I was thought to use a gun to procure food or for entertainment in the form of clay pigeon shooting. The idea that I would use it against a human never entered my mind.

If I were to want to get rid of someone, I'd either use something quiet like a kitchen knife or piano wire, or do it remotely with an ied.

[–] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Accidents happen, there's no denying that, but that applies to literally everything that exists. Not setting your house on fire is a byproduct of not using candles, doesn't mean their purpose is arson.

I personally have zero desire to hurt or kill anyone, human or animal (so much so I deliberately avoided the mandatory military conscription of Finland) but I really like target shooting. Most of the time I do it with air pistols/rifles because I can use them on my back yard, but the bows, crossbows and firearms I own are strictly for that exact same purpose as well.

[–] Scott_of_the_Arctic@lemmy.world 0 points 9 hours ago

Agreed. But russians don't count. If those fuckers come over the border I'm going full John wick.

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[–] Greg@lemmy.ca 28 points 20 hours ago

it is a tool made for specifically one thing. To pierce the skin and rip through the inner organs of a person.

This isn’t true. I live in a country with sensible gun control laws and live on a rural property with 10 acres of forest. We have a small rifle to protect the wildlife against rabies or to put down an injured animal.

The US conversation around guns is toxic.

[–] Ceedoestrees@lemmy.world 19 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

If I can get excited for a cordless Bosch track saw, I can get excited for a nice gun. Guns have served two purposes in my life - target shooting with friends and the meat I get from hunting. I don't need to take on someone elses trauma and stop enjoying something to respect what they are.

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[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 9 points 17 hours ago

That's not an unpopular opinion IMO.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 20 points 21 hours ago (6 children)

They are engineered from the ground up to take lives ~~of other people~~.

I have no love for guns, but hunting for food is the reason humans created weapons in the first place. To your point, I’m pretty sure slaughterhouses aren’t using fully automatic rifles on the killing floor.

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[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 8 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

I don't think that's an unpopular opinion, although I'd detach the violence from people.

Guns are weapons specifically designed as tools of violence. Some are for designed with animal hunting in mind, some for hurting people, and some for target sports, which are ultimately derived from the other two.

Like any tool, how people intend to use it matters, as well as how they expect to use it and how they prepare to use it.
I will easily judge people based on those factors.
Separating the tool from the use also lets us be a little more objective in our discussions about how we want to regulate the tool. "This type of weapon poses an undue risk to surrounding people in this context, so you can't have it in this context".

I think just about every gun owner I've met agrees with the sentiment if you get rid of the "against people" part.

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[–] otacon239@lemmy.world 20 points 22 hours ago (5 children)

I’ve always looked at them from a utility/engineering/sport perspective. I have no intent of ever carrying a weapon, but the training it takes to learn how to target practice, and the engineering that goes into them are incredibly fascinating.

I don’t encourage people to own guns and I don’t have any myself, but I really wish target practice didn’t have to share a platform with a killing machine.

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[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today -3 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

Guns make it possible for anyone to kill anyone. Without them, the capacity to inflict death is far less egalitarian.

Hate them all you want; I trust you with guns far more than I trust some angry meathead who doesn't understand the concept of "No."

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[–] Nougat@fedia.io 7 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

I hate people who treat them like some toys and fantasize about them.

Agreed.

I would still get one for safety ...

Firearms decrease your safety in any but the most dire situation. Unfortunately, those situations are nigh impossible to predict. This means that carrying a firearm incurs some additional risk right now as insurance against a future potential very large risk.

They can be used to preserve something precious but at a price to pay.

Also agreed.

You might be suffering under a variation on the toupee fallacy, and some confirmation bias. You're not going to hear a whole lot from responsible gun owners, because those people have an understanding of the risk and responsibility they are taking on, and part of taking that responsibility and mitigating that risk is not crowing like a knob about your guns.

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