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During negotiations with the DNC and the Harris campaign, we were repeatedly told by interlocutors that Harris couldn’t meet any of our basic requests (a policy shift from Biden, a Palestinian speaker at the DNC, a statement distinguishing herself from Trump on Israel, or even a meeting with Michigan families who lost loved ones to Israeli bombs) because of AIPAC-aligned politicians like Fetterman, who might take to TV, rile up suburban white and Jewish voters, and fracture the party’s coalition in a swing state.

That political calculus alienated a key voting bloc, although likely not large enough to have shifted the ultimate election outcomes, that should be part of a durable Democratic majority. But few will ever be held accountable for that choice.

A Fetterman staffer condemning Uncommitted for not advocating for Palestinians 'the right way' is like an arsonist scolding the fire department for using the wrong hose.

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[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 days ago

It's time to let go of blame for Trump election, even if DNC is not the right solution. It's not voters to blame. Both voter suppression, and provisional ballot shenanigans are enough to account for electoral college victory. That groups who failed to turn out, oppose Trump now, is more important than yelling at them.

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 39 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Imagine supporting genocide in order to win, but then losing anyway.

[–] WhatYouNeed@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

Everyone always loses with Drump. Always have, always will.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago

DNC successfully elected the best guy for genocide. They still collected a fair bit of money. Is that a loss?

[–] meowmeowbeanz@sh.itjust.works 41 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Ah yes, the DNC’s ”strategy”—alienate everybody who isn’t a suburban wine mom or AIPAC donor. Brilliant. Why bother with Michigan families mourning Israeli airstrikes when you can pander to Fetterman’s Fox News cosplay?

Harris couldn’t even fake it. No Palestinian speaker, no policy shift, no spine. Just the same ”don’t rock the boat” calculus that’s sinking their coalition faster than a lead balloon in Lake Michigan.

Here’s the kicker: they’ll blame voters for staying home instead of owning their cowardice. Meanwhile, Uncommitted gets torched for not advocating ”the right way”—as if there’s a polite way to demand basic humanity. Spoiler: there isn’t.

Democrats didn’t just lose—they fumbled their soul.

[–] cashsky@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Harris campaign: why aren't you embracing our flavor of fascism, the flavor of warhawks like Cheney and genocide?

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[–] RedAggroBest@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (12 children)

I blame the voters who just flat out couldn't be bothered. If they'd all showed and at least voted 3rd party on the president, at least the fascist wouldn't have control of Congress.

I blame Dems for shitting on everything so hard that people made the choice to not show up.

Non-voters can't fix what they've done, protest voters can't change what's happened. The Dems can absolutely still fix their party. There's only one group who deserves our ire in this moment.

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 55 points 4 days ago (2 children)

From a pure political science perspective, if the Democrats were a real party they would either purge themselves of Zionists or purge themselves of anti-Zionists. This coalition is objectively impossible to sustain and will make them lose any time Israel is bombing.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 53 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It is starting to come out that the Democrats blatantly censored voter concerns for the genocide during the campaign. And lied about them not existing.

A Harris organizer who worked on youth turnout said that senior campaign officials gave them an order: When they sent out mass volunteer or fundraising emails and people replied by asking about Gaza, they were told to mark it as “no response.” The result? They seldom ended up engaging with voters on that issue.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/uncommitted-leaders-stand-2024-strategy-trump-floats-gaza-takeover-rcna190782

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[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

The biggest group that stayed home after voting dem in 2020 were older white men/women and hispanic men

The protest votes were a non factor in comparison

The media blew this out of proportion to make leftists infight

[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (6 children)

"Leftists?" None of us are infighting as far as I know. Did you mean "Liberals?"

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 15 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Leftists are always infighting, but not about DNC ghouls

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[–] Intergalactic@lemmy.world 44 points 4 days ago (10 children)

It is truly sad that the Democratic Party has become this incompetent.

[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

The fact that their candidates can openly taunt their own supposed constituency about having only one alternative to their own candidacy should be more than enough to elucidate how the Democrat establishment sees itself.

--A candidate doesn't need to be particularly competent to play the role of the controlled opposition.

[–] TacoButtPlug@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

During the Obama election years the DNC literally said to the press they know voters didn't like them but what choice do they have. That was when I knew they were gone.

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[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 35 points 4 days ago (3 children)

honestly disgusted by how meager and purely symbolic the demands made by the uncommitted movement were

as if getting every single thing on that list would have spared a single life

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 50 points 4 days ago (2 children)

All they demanded was basically a lip service and they didn't get even that

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