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I have problems with people who abstained. The hard thing is, how do you change voter behavior?

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[–] RangerJosey@lemmy.ml 28 points 3 days ago

You give them something real to vote for. Give them a reason to turn out. And there's a reliable way to do that. Hard policy. Universal Healthcare. Free education. Raising wages. Stuff that actually improves people's living conditions in their daily lives.

Because believe it or not, The World's Most Powerful Military and genocide do not excite any democrats that aren't members of the DNC Services Corp.

[–] djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone 58 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

Y'know what this thread has made me realize? All the dumb memes of "the left fighting the left" are bullshit. I can respectfully debate other people on the left with me. I can change their minds about some things, they can change my mind on some things, we can come to compromises. I don't agree with the communist 100%, but I agree with them at least 70-80%, and would happily work alongside them to accomplish that 70-80%.

You know who loves infighting though? Centrists who have deluded themselves into thinking they are leftists. You can find comment after comment in this thread from right-leaning centrists, gleefully demanding that they were "right all along" and how everything is our fault for just not being as smart as them. There is no political group that loves infighting as much as them, even more than the fascists. They want to spend the next four years trying to find out all the ways they can assign blame to the left, instead of organizing and doing anything.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 4 days ago (13 children)

Liberals thinking they are leftists refusing to realize they are actually conservatives in everything but brandng, but never having the dawn of enlightenment on that they are wrong, not the people who have been using the terms for centuries.

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[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Everyone is so focused on the genocide angle, but governments left and right throughout the world who were in power during the post COVID inflation spike got the boot. Most economist with froth at the mouth about "deflationary spirals" wherein people who have been waiting 15 years to buy a new pair of pants will wait a couple more years to buy it when prices start going down and thus cause an economic downturn. However, the general public believed that "getting inflation under control" meant going back to the original prices, something the (independent of Biden) federal reserve would never let happen because deflation = bad. Once the inflation spike occurred, Biden could have had 0% inflation from Nov 2022 to the election, and people still would have voted him out due to prices being too high.

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[–] tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago (12 children)

They can't answer since they were bots

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[–] AliSaket@mander.xyz 31 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Democracy is being dismantled as we speak. Agency by agency, loyalist by loyalist, executive order by executive order. And instead of building community, helping each other and organizing with those around you, I see people, who supposedly care about democracy, about human rights, about those they accuse; and what are they doing? They are blaming people who are powerless and desparing. Thereby further dividing the populace and making the takeover easier for the fascists in power. Be careful: You are telling on yourselves and your values. And we can see you.

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[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago (11 children)

I find it funny how everyone blames everyone except for the Republicans who voted for Trump.

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[–] GiantChickDicks@lemmy.ml 24 points 3 days ago (12 children)

We had a choice between voting in a system that allows us some power to dissent and have a voice versus... this. The frustrating thing is this situation was just as advertised in Project 25, and then some.

We did not have an ideal choice, but we still had one. Now, here we find ourselves.

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[–] frezik@midwest.social 26 points 4 days ago (8 children)

I advocated for voting for Harris, and did so when the time came. I also don't think this blame game gets us anywhere, and I'm already a little sick of talking about it.

I'm also done defending the Democratic Party as a whole. Individuals, yes, but not the party. I'm realizing through this that I have a certain reflexive need to correct misinformation about Democrats, but I'm clamping down on it.

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[–] Juice@midwest.social 13 points 3 days ago

Whenever I look in the mirror, it reminds me of how others are to blame

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 137 points 5 days ago (35 children)

The hard thing is, how do you change voter behavior?

Give them something to vote for. You can write articles of many paragraphs to analyze the course of the election, but in the end it boils down to this: The DNC pissed off too many of their voters and offered nothing in return.

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[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 30 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (24 children)

Okay I'm getting sick of the whole "the dems failed us" bullshit.

WE failed. WE let this happen. WE had the choice between an obvious dictator or continued democracy.

You can shift the blame all you want but at the end of the day it was an obvious choice. You can come up with any other excuse you want. If you didn't vote for Harris you are to blame. Period. End of fucking story.

Edit: The dems should've been able to run a wet paper bag against Trump and win. The fuck is wrong with people to not see that?

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[–] chilicheeselies@lemmy.world 25 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Ultimately yes, its the fault of the voters (and non voters) who let their emotions cloud their judgement. Thats true whether you like it or not. Especially if Gaza was your main issue; if you saw both candidates and thought Trump was better for the situation, you need to seriously look inward and consider your reasoning abilities.

That being said, the opposition party does not get off the hook so easily here. The fact that Trump could win despite everything he said is a total and utter failure. Their strategy is bad, and they refuse to acknoledge it because to do so means that they need to upend their internal heirarchy. They have buried their heads in the sand when it comes to accepting the playing field of politics right now, and quite frankly as a party they look incredibly weak.

In other words, to not acknoledge that the election was theirs to lose is also denying reality

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[–] Lux@lemmy.blahaj.zone 85 points 5 days ago (21 children)

How do you change voter behavior?

You don't. If you want someone to vote for you, you need to provide something that they want. The point of democracy is not to change the people to fit what the rulers want, it's to change the rules to what the people want. If you can't do that, the people don't want you.

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