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[–] don@lemm.ee 44 points 1 day ago (3 children)

…Musk used an arm gesture, twice, that resembled the Roman salute adopted by the Nazis.

Huffington Post also too fucking jellospined to actually say that the fuckwit did indeed throw the Nazi salute. Twice.

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 2 points 10 hours ago

It isn't a Roman salute. It was a French painters idea of what the Romans did (based on absolutely nothing), which was appropriated by the fascist movement of Mussolini (who only dreamt of being Romans).

It's blatantly wrong, and this is a purely fascist thing. They are the only ones in history every using the salute.

I honestly would like to know what that French painter would think about all this.

[–] ploot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 48 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Every single news outlet is doing the same. Not daring to call it the Nazi salute it was, and firing those who do.

CBS 58 weather reporter Sam Kuffel is out after criticizing Elon Musk arm gesture

When we wonder how people did not resist the Nazis in 1930s Germany, this is how. Everyone afraid and trying not to anger them, and all the businesses silencing dissent to protect themselves.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So torches and pitchforks descending upon the media regime collaborators when?

[–] earphone843@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago

Whenever someone gets off their ass and starts it.

[–] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

Honestly it’s pretty, well, honest. It addressed the bullshit defense and unequivocally stated it was used by the nazis. I don’t see an issue here.

[–] Rooskie91 32 points 1 day ago (2 children)

"In this country, we inspired the Nazis"

Fixed it.

[–] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 hour ago

Also, Operation Paperclip. A good chunk of post-war US prosperity was built on the work of Nazis who escaped justice and moved there.

[–] errer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah AOC is wrong here, more than half of people voted for a clear nazi sympathizer. If we hated nazis so much we wouldn’t have done that.

[–] qprimed@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

repeated words lead to ideas which lead to changed thought processes. we have witnessed this with the rapidity of an intravenous injection since 2016.

we cannot hope to take control of the zeitgeist (yeah, I went there) without pushing back hard on words and ideas. "america hates nazis - do you love nazis?!". now go out and repeat it ad nauseam. I am doing it.

[–] EisFrei@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

It's not like the Nazis already had this exact same idea. Oh wait. They did.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/joseph-goebbels-on-the-quot-big-lie-quot

If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.

[–] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 day ago

Oh how I wish that were true

[–] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 day ago

Apparently we defend them.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

I guess

"In this country a minority of us hate Nazis, unless the voting machines were rigged, but that might be a post-truth distraction to allow more and more fascist things to sneak through unchecked or distracted from or worn down by".

was too long.

[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Disappointed she didn't really rip off his arm. Stupid misleading headline.

Naw, not the arm. That's a survivable injury.

[–] erusuoyera@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago

Not enough to not vote for one for your president apparently.

[–] Lasherz12@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Media continues to show its true face with this measly mouthed concern trolling. If you never stand for anything then you stand for everything wrong in the world to remain the same.

Unfortunately we need more people like AOC to allow the media to quote the correct views without taking a stand themselves. I don't know if that formula is ever goi g to benefit us though since Fox can go out and spread misinformation every day and never get sued for more than they earned doing it. Media companies like wapo don't need to make money because they're propaganda vessels for their owners, it's hard to combat bullhorns of bullshit coming from the effectively immune.